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Going to a mass said by the the Institute of Christ the King or the FSSP
« Reply #45 on: November 09, 2012, 01:15:21 PM »
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  • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    After knowing that Americans( tmany who were NO catholics and clergy) voted again an enemy of God and Faith is enough warning For father Rostand and Bishop Fellay to understand you don't compromise your faith with  dealing with the devil.


    In regards to comformity and obedience.  The novus ordo clergy  and catholics everyday disobey Benedict XVI and the teachings of the roman Catholic church.

    It is a sad day when novus ordo clergy view the Church's teachings under Pope Benedict XVI as an way of thinking or even a opinion of a traditional catholic.

    I tried to correct a priest who had only and I mean only an obama 2012 bumper sticker..  and instead of the superior correcting the error it seemed directed at my "strongly adhere to our Catholic traditions"  I even enclosed www.mindszenty.org report and other docuмents proofing the errors.  Instead of say I will correct this matter it felt like I was being corrected for being cathoiic.

    and the letter was signed  "sincerely"

    And yet the ssspx keeps expelling priests  adn bishop williamson.   If Bishop Lefebvre was alive today, he would be expelled.

    It was american Novus ordo catholic supreme court justice who sold his faith and party and country out to support obamcare.

    Cardinal Dolan invites obama to al smith dinner ws supplimal message for Catholics to vote for obama.  Governor  Christie NO catholic endorsed obama.
    And the latin mass Mater Ecclesia churches of vatican ii remain silent and most likely go along with brainwashing of vaticanII.  
     
    And tell bishop fellay and Father Rostand to take a good look at France because it is no longer mainly Catholic; but muslim.

    And who are going around the world murdering muslims and invading churches..???  

    And this is all enough proof to prepare instead of waiting for it to come to our local chapels sspx or independent.  

    I have a right to be angry...  I was told that my catholic faith was a opinion  ..a way of thinking.  

    I refuse to "conform" or give obedience to the devil...

    My God and my all


    And if this is true or not I don't know.  but it has been said by obama's senior advisor


    The Institute of Christ the King and the FSSP are in union with the above Church.  They sold out.  Now they only act like Catholics liturgically but can't publically express Catholic veiws that contradict "Religious Liberty" "False Ecuмenism" and any of the other heresies the new Church which they joined professes.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    « Reply #46 on: November 09, 2012, 03:43:59 PM »
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  • but not break bread with them...

    May God bless you and keep you


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    « Reply #47 on: November 09, 2012, 03:56:14 PM »
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    Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    After knowing that Americans( tmany who were NO catholics and clergy) voted again an enemy of God and Faith is enough warning For father Rostand and Bishop Fellay to understand you don't compromise your faith with  dealing with the devil.


    In regards to comformity and obedience.  The novus ordo clergy  and catholics everyday disobey Benedict XVI and the teachings of the roman Catholic church.

    It is a sad day when novus ordo clergy view the Church's teachings under Pope Benedict XVI as an way of thinking or even a opinion of a traditional catholic.

    I tried to correct a priest who had only and I mean only an obama 2012 bumper sticker..  and instead of the superior correcting the error it seemed directed at my "strongly adhere to our Catholic traditions"  I even enclosed www.mindszenty.org report and other docuмents proofing the errors.  Instead of say I will correct this matter it felt like I was being corrected for being cathoiic.

    and the letter was signed  "sincerely"

    And yet the ssspx keeps expelling priests  adn bishop williamson.   If Bishop Lefebvre was alive today, he would be expelled.

    It was american Novus ordo catholic supreme court justice who sold his faith and party and country out to support obamcare.

    Cardinal Dolan invites obama to al smith dinner ws supplimal message for Catholics to vote for obama.  Governor  Christie NO catholic endorsed obama.
    And the latin mass Mater Ecclesia churches of vatican ii remain silent and most likely go along with brainwashing of vaticanII.  
     
    And tell bishop fellay and Father Rostand to take a good look at France because it is no longer mainly Catholic; but muslim.

    And who are going around the world murdering muslims and invading churches..???  

    And this is all enough proof to prepare instead of waiting for it to come to our local chapels sspx or independent.  

    I have a right to be angry...  I was told that my catholic faith was a opinion  ..a way of thinking.  

    I refuse to "conform" or give obedience to the devil...

    My God and my all


    And if this is true or not I don't know.  but it has been said by obama's senior advisor


    The Institute of Christ the King and the FSSP are in union with the above Church.  They sold out.  Now they only act like Catholics liturgically but can't publically express Catholic veiws that contradict "Religious Liberty" "False Ecuмenism" and any of the other heresies the new Church which they joined professes.




    Yes, that is it.  You said it.  and it the reason why we should be apprehesive and be prepared to defend the faith.  


    WE are Catholic..


    and the Institute of Christ the King and the FSSP's indifference to sin that surrounds them is a sin in itself.  Because it makes them accomplice to sin with their silence.
    May God bless you and keep you

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    « Reply #48 on: November 09, 2012, 07:20:57 PM »
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    and Davies' book, though I think he makes a few non sequiturs here and there, is an important contribution.


    I read it twice and think I wasted my time and money. He should just as well have posted a line on a thread like this and said:

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    "If the pope promulgated it, it's valid".


    It would have saved everyone a lot of time.


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    « Reply #49 on: November 09, 2012, 07:25:10 PM »
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    and Davies' book, though I think he makes a few non sequiturs here and there, is an important contribution.


    I read the book, and think I wasted my time and money. What he should have done is publish one line on a forum like CI and it would have saved  everyone a lot of time and money. The whole book can be reduced to his conclusion:

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    If the pope promulgated it, then it's valid.


    The End.


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    « Reply #50 on: November 10, 2012, 12:02:14 AM »
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  • Well, Bowler, it's somewhat amusing that you blithely dismiss so easily a ramification of what you were just insisting upon in another thread, though you didn't realize this was a consequence of it. Namely that the Church is spotless.

    Pope Pius XII says of the Church, the bride of Christ, "Certainly the loving Mother is spotless in the Sacraments" which at a minimum requires they not be invalid.

    She is holy by her sacraments, this is why she is not tainted by the sins of her children and remains holy in her nature and essence, for her sacraments and their validity are not affected by these, even when her children sin, fail and fall repeatedly and terribly.

    Like I said, if Davies was writing for a sedevacantist audience, he would have contended himself with other arguments such as I mentioned above. But he was not.
    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.

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    « Reply #51 on: November 11, 2012, 12:11:54 AM »
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    But you don't understand Davies' point and how it applies. Davies argues the indefectibility of the Church guarantees at a minimum that any rite, yes any rite, whether ordination, consecration or liturgical, cannot be invalid. This is also based on what Pope Pius XII taught. Pope Pius VI proscribed a contrary proposition[/size].



    Nishant,

    Are you saying here that Pope Pius XII taught something that contradicted Pope Pius VI?  


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    « Reply #52 on: November 11, 2012, 12:41:43 PM »
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  • No, no, Captain. Pope Pius VI in Auctorem Fidei condemned, among other propositions, one that asserted the Church had defected or could defect. Pope Pius XII taught that the Church is indefectible. So there is no contradiction in the Papal teaching.
    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.


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    Re: Going to a mass said by the the Institute of Christ the King or the FSSP
    « Reply #53 on: December 16, 2017, 03:04:39 PM »
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  • This depends.  Different people in here have varying opinions, and I respect them all.  Do you acknowledge Pope Francis and the Post V2 Catholic Church?  Do you want to be a part of it while keeping traditional services?  If so, FSSP and ICKSP are your go-to organizations.  They organize traditional Latin Masses, but are in communion with the Vatican and Pope Francis.

    Do you believe the Post-V2 church and Pope Francis is wrong?  Do you want to sever yourself from it?  Then SSPX or SSPV is your organization.  They are independent of the Roman Catholic Church.  Of course they each call each other "Protestant", but that is unimportant if you believe you are right.  (The Lutherans think they are right, too!)

    Pray to God for guidance and do what is right for you.

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    Re: Going to a mass said by the the Institute of Christ the King or the FSSP
    « Reply #54 on: December 16, 2017, 04:32:41 PM »
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  • captmccuig said something most important on page 1.  We are not required to receive holy communion but once a year during the easter season.  So, in my opinion, you can go to the ecclesia dei.  However, I am not going to recommend that you receive holy communion.  Because, I do not believe that the ecclesia dei communities have right thinking.  If they believe that the NO is not problematic, then they need to incorporate it in more ways/shapes/forms so as to be in solidarity(that's a popular NO word) with it.  Instead they give the traditions of the church a bad image by being all high church men in cloth.  The NO see that and are not inspired to piety.  Nothing is more repulsive to me than high church approving of the low church in chaos all around them that they in theory approve of and doing nothing to relieve it.  It is for that reason that you decide to stay away if you do.  High church is just as dangerous as the debased NO imo.  We need to be sober and vigilant.  Ecclesia dei will get you drunk on extravagance, and that is a problem. 
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15

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    Re: Going to a mass said by the the Institute of Christ the King or the FSSP
    « Reply #55 on: December 16, 2017, 05:30:15 PM »
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  • I'm sorry Capt, but this is a non sequitur.  Your reply is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

    I have to ask for what reason should one abstain from Holy Communion unless one is not personally disposed to receive (i.e., serious sin or have not fasted)?  This is not relevant to the question of attending Mass.  Further, if the reason for abstaining is because of doubts about the validity of that Communion, then would it not, in itself, be a serious sin to hear that Mass?

    If all you want to do is hear a Mass, you could read the Missal yourself...but you still would not have a Mass (unless you are a priest).

    While it is true that Holy Communion is not required, it is certainly not true that simply hearing the words of Mass gives a soul any graces if that Mass is of doubtful validity.
    Well said.  Additionally, it would be sacrilege and/or violation of First Commandment to take part in a “Mass” in which mere bread is worshipped as our Lord, which is the situation with invalid “priests” who cannot put Christ on the altar.