They are .m4a files.   I am able to download and listen to them on my iMac.

Well.....it is not a secret anymore.

When did the debate take place and where?

I had not heard anything either.

I don't think it was supposed to be published.  It showed up on FE a few years back and I bookmarked it but seem to recall someone involved (sorry details are fuzzy) requesting that it not be made public.  Perhaps the details are in the talk?

Fr. Robinson wins every round.  Matatics starts off exactly like an evangelical Protestant in a tent meeting.  He hooks the emotions, "All you need to know about me is that I am a sinner."
Why Fr. didn't want it on line is a mystery.  I deal with people who think and talk the same way, as sentimental, mush-minded Christians.

I had heard of this debate a while back, but this was the first I actually was able to obtain a recording.  After listening and as a "debate" I have to rate it a tie.

Fr. Robinson's defenses of the Conciliar popes were weak and, frankly, demolished by Mr. Matatics.  He did not, in any way, change my view of the invalidity of the claims of the Conciliar claimants to the Catholic papacy.

Mr. Matatics, on the other hand, in his condemnation of all independent Catholic clergy (which include all SSPX clergy, by the way), was just as handily refuted by Fr. Robinson.

In the end, I am still a Catholic who rejects the Conciliar sect and their claims to legitimately rule the Catholic Church and I still reject the teachings of some that I must avoid certainly validly ordained Catholic clergy in all cases and stay home.  I will not refuse communion with fellow Catholics just because of the Mass they attend.

In the end, the debate was tied.

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I still reject the teachings of some that I must avoid certainly validly ordained Catholic clergy in all cases and stay home.  I will not refuse communion with fellow Catholics just because of the Mass they attend.

Note that Mr Matatics did not say that we should avoid communion with those that attend validly ordained Catholic clergy.

Would you refuse communion with someone who attends the Mass of an Old Catholic, Russian Orthodox etc.?

Second question first:  Yes.  I am not in communion with anyone who holds the faith of the Old Catholics or the Russian Orthodox.

Mr. Matatics did say, several times, that no traditional Catholic clergy should minister the sacraments because, he said, they do not have a mission...they are not "called".  He also said, several times, that people should not attend their Masses, not just the SSPX Masses, but any traditional Catholic clergy.  This most definitely implies that we should not be in communion with such people though I am sure he made the point explicitly.

Well, let me put it this way - he did not describe groups such as the SSPX as traditional Catholic clergy as he doesn't consider them to be that. In fact, I think at one point he referred to them as a sect.

In that case, he denied even the existence of any traditional Catholic clergy for he maintained that the only clergy that still exists are those bishops appointed by Pius XII who are still alive.