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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Alexandria on November 10, 2010, 05:15:17 PM
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This was sent to me by e-mail earlier today, but I have taken what I am posting below from Gerry's website. These are some of the, for lack of a better term, "good fruits" which resulted from his recent speaking tour:
● In every city where I spoke people saw the logic of the "consistent Catholic" position -- once it's clearly, patiently, charitably explained and all objections to it are answered. By God's grace many as a result have already broken or are in the process of breaking free from the counterfeit Catholicism of both "the left" (i.e., the Vatican II establishment) and "the right" (the unauthorized clergy and chapels of the "traditionalist movement"). I have already received phone calls, emails, and letters from people who attended my talk who have very kindly described it as a turning point in their lives. I will be sharing some of their stories, with their permission, in coming weeks.
● A top seminarian -- a brilliant and exceptionally gifted young man -- in his final (7th) year of preparing for the priesthood at an SSPX seminary, with whom I spent an afternoon at a stop on my trip, pointing out to him the hopelessly inconsistent and indeed illegitimate nature of the SSPX, has left the seminary and returned home, apparently sending a few shock waves through the SSPX seminary community and beyond.
● Other SSPX loyalists I met on the trip have begun to reconsider the Society in the light of the Church's perennial teaching, as have former supporters of the CMRI, of the SSPV, and of other traditionalist clerics. (See below.)
● While in the Twin Cities in Minnesota I was able to have a private dinner (in his home) and hours of insightful conversation with Dale Ahlquist, president of the American Chesterton Society, author of G.K. Chesterton: The Apostle of Common Sense (and host of the EWTN television series by the same name, now in its fifth season), and a truly gracious host. I believe the evening may well have provided me with a missing puzzle piece to the mid-boggling mystery of what's been going on in the Church over the last 50 years - a mystery which would, I believe, have taxed even the deductive powers of the great Father Brown, let alone our lowly gray cells. (More on this later. I hasten to add, out of fairness to Mr. Ahlquist, that his hospitality towards me should in no way be construed as an endorsement by him of my rad-trad, recusant Catholic stance. Think of it rather as akin to Our Lord's willingness to eat with tax collectors and sinners -- though I'm sure it never entered Mr. Ahlquist's humble head to see himself as doing anything so magnanimous as that.)
● The following morning I met with Michael Matt, editor of The Remnant; Mike is a former student of mine (at Christendom College in the 1980's) and a former colleague for many years at Remnant conferences and on the annual Chartres pilgrimages. For two and a half hours over coffee we had a friendly, honest, in-depth discussion of our different perspectives on the Second Vatican Council, the New Mass, and Benedict XVI. As a result Michael is working to arrange a debate on these issues between myself and a champion of the opposing position -- possibly author John Salza -- to be sponsored, perhaps, by the the Twin Cities' "Argument of the Month" Club, which typically draws an audience of several hundreds. My suspicion is that on this topic attendance will easily exceed a thousand, with people coming from as far away as both coasts. A similar debate, with a similarly well-known "name," and likely to draw an equally large crowd, is being discussed for Cincinnati.
● The talk I gave in every city on this tour, "Deadline 2012: Decoding the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr's Hidden Agenda," was unexpectedly videotaped by third parties in two different cities on this trip, was uploaded to YouTube by one videographer in Oregon, and is being serialized by another videographer on cable TV in Nebraska.
● I was able to have some long conversations, explaining how and why I'd come to my concerns regarding the revolutionary nature of Vatican II, with two well-known Novus Ordo apologists at this year's "Deep In History" conference in Columbus, Ohio (put on annually by the Coming Home Network, which specializes in helping Protestant clergy convert to Catholicism): Marcus Grodi, founder and president of the Coming Home Network and host of EWTN's television series on the same theme, "The Journey Home," and Patrick Madrid, another EWTN TV personality, speaker, author of several apologetics books, and editor of Envoy magazine. I also had briefer conversations with other speakers and attendees.
● The tour ended on a bang at my final talk on October 25 in Cincinnati. So many people showed up that every seat was filled, people had to stand in the rear of the room and out in the hotel hallway, and we had to set up additional chairs in the adjoining breakfast area and open up a side door through which those sitting in the overflow area could listen. Many of the dozens who came were congregants or former congregants of the various traditional chapels in Cincinnati, as well as a smattering of Novus Ordo Catholics and stay-at-home Catholics (modern-day recusants whose Catholic principles prevent their attending either the "New Mass" at the local parish or the unauthorized traditional Masses at traditionalist chapels, which they believe to be as illegitimate as the former). Some came from the neighboring states of Kentucky and Indiana -- some of these driving as far as 9 hours round-trip to get to the talk -- and one couple actually drove all the way up from Florida (2000 miles round-trip), since this was advertised as my last lecture tour in the US and Ohio was as close to Florida as I would be getting! (I had already taken my megatour around the entire state of Florida in 2008.) The Q & A session actually went on until past 2 am, and afterwards some continued the conversation with me at the all-night Waffle House restaurant down the street until 5 am. Several of those attending have begun to see the problems with the traditionalist movement's lack of mission and jurisdiction, which is the one topic that occupied nearly the entirety of the almost 5-hour-long Q & A session.
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I sent him a letter challenging him to debate. I dunno, since I'm not a "name" I might not get a response (it's that 'sensation' thing).
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Your a name with us, and we will all be cheering for you. :rahrah:
Keep us posted.
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A top seminarian -- a brilliant and exceptionally gifted young man -- in his final (7th) year of preparing for the priesthood at an SSPX seminary, with whom I spent an afternoon at a stop on my trip, pointing out to him the hopelessly inconsistent and indeed illegitimate nature of the SSPX, has left the seminary and returned home, apparently sending a few shock waves through the SSPX seminary community and beyond.
:really-mad2:
Other SSPX loyalists I met on the trip have begun to reconsider the Society in the light of the Church's perennial teaching, as have former supporters of the CMRI, of the SSPV, and of other traditionalist clerics. (See below.)
:really-mad2: :really-mad2:
While in the Twin Cities in Minnesota I was able to have a private dinner (in his home) and hours of insightful conversation with Dale Ahlquist, president of the American Chesterton Society, author of G.K. Chesterton: The Apostle of Common Sense (and host of the EWTN television series by the same name, now in its fifth season), and a truly gracious host. I believe the evening may well have provided me with a missing puzzle piece to the mid-boggling mystery of what's been going on in the Church over the last 50 years - a mystery which would, I believe, have taxed even the deductive powers of the great Father Brown, let alone our lowly gray cells. (More on this later. I hasten to add, out of fairness to Mr. Ahlquist, that his hospitality towards me should in no way be construed as an endorsement by him of my rad-trad, recusant Catholic stance. Think of it rather as akin to Our Lord's willingness to eat with tax collectors and sinners -- though I'm sure it never entered Mr. Ahlquist's humble head to see himself as doing anything so magnanimous as that.)
Ooooh! Dinner with Mr. Alquist! :dancing-banana:
So what's this "missing piece" of the puzzle? Shouldn't he be revealing it now, if it's so groundbreaking? After all, our salvation hangs in the balance!
:really-mad2: :really-mad2: :really-mad2:
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While in the Twin Cities in Minnesota I was able to have a private dinner (in his home) and hours of insightful conversation with Dale Ahlquist, president of the American Chesterton Society, author of G.K. Chesterton: The Apostle of Common Sense (and host of the EWTN television series by the same name, now in its fifth season), and a truly gracious host. I believe the evening may well have provided me with a missing puzzle piece to the mid-boggling mystery of what's been going on in the Church over the last 50 years - a mystery which would, I believe, have taxed even the deductive powers of the great Father Brown, let alone our lowly gray cells. (More on this later. I hasten to add, out of fairness to Mr. Ahlquist, that his hospitality towards me should in no way be construed as an endorsement by him of my rad-trad, recusant Catholic stance. Think of it rather as akin to Our Lord's willingness to eat with tax collectors and sinners -- though I'm sure it never entered Mr. Ahlquist's humble head to see himself as doing anything so magnanimous as that.)
Oh, the humility!
The following morning I met with Michael Matt, editor of The Remnant; Mike is a former student of mine (at Christendom College in the 1980's) and a former colleague for many years at Remnant conferences and on the annual Chartres pilgrimages. For two and a half hours over coffee we had a friendly, honest, in-depth discussion of our different perspectives on the Second Vatican Council, the New Mass, and Benedict XVI. As a result Michael is working to arrange a debate on these issues between myself and a champion of the opposing position -- possibly author John Salza -- to be sponsored, perhaps, by the the Twin Cities' "Argument of the Month" Club, which typically draws an audience of several hundreds. My suspicion is that on this topic attendance will easily exceed a thousand, with people coming from as far away as both coasts. A similar debate, with a similarly well-known "name," and likely to draw an equally large crowd, is being discussed for Cincinnati.
Ooooh! A couple of Protestants debating the crisis in the Church! How exciting!
I was able to have some long conversations, explaining how and why I'd come to my concerns regarding the revolutionary nature of Vatican II, with two well-known Novus Ordo apologists at this year's "Deep In History" conference in Columbus, Ohio (put on annually by the Coming Home Network, which specializes in helping Protestant clergy convert to Catholicism): Marcus Grodi, founder and president of the Coming Home Network and host of EWTN's television series on the same theme, "The Journey Home," and Patrick Madrid, another EWTN TV personality, speaker, author of several apologetics books, and editor of Envoy magazine. I also had briefer conversations with other speakers and attendees.
What a priviledge it must be to keep company with so many great men!
The tour ended on a bang at my final talk on October 25 in Cincinnati. So many people showed up that every seat was filled, people had to stand in the rear of the room and out in the hotel hallway, and we had to set up additional chairs in the adjoining breakfast area and open up a side door through which those sitting in the overflow area could listen. Many of the dozens who came were congregants or former congregants of the various traditional chapels in Cincinnati, as well as a smattering of Novus Ordo Catholics and stay-at-home Catholics (modern-day recusants whose Catholic principles prevent their attending either the "New Mass" at the local parish or the unauthorized traditional Masses at traditionalist chapels, which they believe to be as illegitimate as the former). Some came from the neighboring states of Kentucky and Indiana -- some of these driving as far as 9 hours round-trip to get to the talk -- and one couple actually drove all the way up from Florida (2000 miles round-trip), since this was advertised as my last lecture tour in the US and Ohio was as close to Florida as I would be getting! (I had already taken my megatour around the entire state of Florida in 2008.) The Q & A session actually went on until past 2 am, and afterwards some continued the conversation with me at the all-night Waffle House restaurant down the street until 5 am. Several of those attending have begun to see the problems with the traditionalist movement's lack of mission and jurisdiction, which is the one topic that occupied nearly the entirety of the almost 5-hour-long Q & A session.
Wow! I can't wait for more news from the World's Back-Patting-Self Champion!
Go get him, Caminus! :dwarf:
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Ooooh! Dinner with Mr. Alquist!
So what's this "missing piece" of the puzzle? Shouldn't he be revealing it now, if it's so groundbreaking? After all, our salvation hangs in the balance!
No doubt, St. Jude, this will cost you money to find out. If our salvation truly did hang in the balance on this missing link, he should give the info away for free.
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This was sent to me by e-mail earlier today, but I have taken what I am posting below from Gerry's website. These are some of the, for lack of a better term, "good fruits" which resulted from his recent speaking tour:
● In every city where I spoke people saw the logic of the "consistent Catholic" position -- once it's clearly, patiently, charitably explained and all objections to it are answered. By God's grace many as a result have already broken or are in the process of breaking free from the counterfeit Catholicism of both "the left" (i.e., the Vatican II establishment) and "the right" (the unauthorized clergy and chapels of the "traditionalist movement"). I have already received phone calls, emails, and letters from people who attended my talk who have very kindly described it as a turning point in their lives. I will be sharing some of their stories, with their permission, in coming weeks.
● A top seminarian -- a brilliant and exceptionally gifted young man -- in his final (7th) year of preparing for the priesthood at an SSPX seminary, with whom I spent an afternoon at a stop on my trip, pointing out to him the hopelessly inconsistent and indeed illegitimate nature of the SSPX, has left the seminary and returned home, apparently sending a few shock waves through the SSPX seminary community and beyond.
● Other SSPX loyalists I met on the trip have begun to reconsider the Society in the light of the Church's perennial teaching, as have former supporters of the CMRI, of the SSPV, and of other traditionalist clerics. (See below.)
● While in the Twin Cities in Minnesota I was able to have a private dinner (in his home) and hours of insightful conversation with Dale Ahlquist, president of the American Chesterton Society, author of G.K. Chesterton: The Apostle of Common Sense (and host of the EWTN television series by the same name, now in its fifth season), and a truly gracious host. I believe the evening may well have provided me with a missing puzzle piece to the mid-boggling mystery of what's been going on in the Church over the last 50 years - a mystery which would, I believe, have taxed even the deductive powers of the great Father Brown, let alone our lowly gray cells. (More on this later. I hasten to add, out of fairness to Mr. Ahlquist, that his hospitality towards me should in no way be construed as an endorsement by him of my rad-trad, recusant Catholic stance. Think of it rather as akin to Our Lord's willingness to eat with tax collectors and sinners -- though I'm sure it never entered Mr. Ahlquist's humble head to see himself as doing anything so magnanimous as that.)
● The following morning I met with Michael Matt, editor of The Remnant; Mike is a former student of mine (at Christendom College in the 1980's) and a former colleague for many years at Remnant conferences and on the annual Chartres pilgrimages. For two and a half hours over coffee we had a friendly, honest, in-depth discussion of our different perspectives on the Second Vatican Council, the New Mass, and Benedict XVI. As a result Michael is working to arrange a debate on these issues between myself and a champion of the opposing position -- possibly author John Salza -- to be sponsored, perhaps, by the the Twin Cities' "Argument of the Month" Club, which typically draws an audience of several hundreds. My suspicion is that on this topic attendance will easily exceed a thousand, with people coming from as far away as both coasts. A similar debate, with a similarly well-known "name," and likely to draw an equally large crowd, is being discussed for Cincinnati.
● The talk I gave in every city on this tour, "Deadline 2012: Decoding the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr's Hidden Agenda," was unexpectedly videotaped by third parties in two different cities on this trip, was uploaded to YouTube by one videographer in Oregon, and is being serialized by another videographer on cable TV in Nebraska.
● I was able to have some long conversations, explaining how and why I'd come to my concerns regarding the revolutionary nature of Vatican II, with two well-known Novus Ordo apologists at this year's "Deep In History" conference in Columbus, Ohio (put on annually by the Coming Home Network, which specializes in helping Protestant clergy convert to Catholicism): Marcus Grodi, founder and president of the Coming Home Network and host of EWTN's television series on the same theme, "The Journey Home," and Patrick Madrid, another EWTN TV personality, speaker, author of several apologetics books, and editor of Envoy magazine. I also had briefer conversations with other speakers and attendees.
● The tour ended on a bang at my final talk on October 25 in Cincinnati. So many people showed up that every seat was filled, people had to stand in the rear of the room and out in the hotel hallway, and we had to set up additional chairs in the adjoining breakfast area and open up a side door through which those sitting in the overflow area could listen. Many of the dozens who came were congregants or former congregants of the various traditional chapels in Cincinnati, as well as a smattering of Novus Ordo Catholics and stay-at-home Catholics (modern-day recusants whose Catholic principles prevent their attending either the "New Mass" at the local parish or the unauthorized traditional Masses at traditionalist chapels, which they believe to be as illegitimate as the former). Some came from the neighboring states of Kentucky and Indiana -- some of these driving as far as 9 hours round-trip to get to the talk -- and one couple actually drove all the way up from Florida (2000 miles round-trip), since this was advertised as my last lecture tour in the US and Ohio was as close to Florida as I would be getting! (I had already taken my megatour around the entire state of Florida in 2008.) The Q & A session actually went on until past 2 am, and afterwards some continued the conversation with me at the all-night Waffle House restaurant down the street until 5 am. Several of those attending have begun to see the problems with the traditionalist movement's lack of mission and jurisdiction, which is the one topic that occupied nearly the entirety of the almost 5-hour-long Q & A session.
Gerry is a very powerful speaker, and can influence people. However hes a mixed up man, and does not put himself under any authority. Now here is a man without a Mission! No priest or Bishop has sent him!
We are all to believe that the church is dead......no priests or Bishops! Christ has gone back on his promise.
He who does not gather with me......scatters"
Must have been a lot of money taken in to his coffers this sensational trip!
BTW, the SSPX seminarian is under obedience to his superiors. How much ya wanna bet he got no permission to attend the talk! I cant imagine any SSPX superior giving permission to any seminarian to attend Mattatic's talks! :argue:
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A top seminarian -- a brilliant and exceptionally gifted young man -- in his final (7th) year of preparing for the priesthood at an SSPX seminary, with whom I spent an afternoon at a stop on my trip, pointing out to him the hopelessly inconsistent and indeed illegitimate nature of the SSPX, has left the seminary and returned home, apparently sending a few shock waves through the SSPX seminary community and beyond.
That's evil.
While in the Twin Cities in Minnesota I was able to have a private dinner (in his home) and hours of insightful conversation with Dale Ahlquist, president of the American Chesterton Society, author of G.K. Chesterton: The Apostle of Common Sense (and host of the EWTN television series by the same name, now in its fifth season), and a truly gracious host. I believe the evening may well have provided me with a missing puzzle piece to the mid-boggling mystery of what's been going on in the Church over the last 50 years - a mystery which would, I believe, have taxed even the deductive powers of the great Father Brown, let alone our lowly gray cells. (More on this later. I hasten to add, out of fairness to Mr. Ahlquist, that his hospitality towards me should in no way be construed as an endorsement by him of my rad-trad, recusant Catholic stance. Think of it rather as akin to Our Lord's willingness to eat with tax collectors and sinners -- though I'm sure it never entered Mr. Ahlquist's humble head to see himself as doing anything so magnanimous as that.)
Ooooh! Dinner with Mr. Alquist! :dancing-banana:
So what's this "missing piece" of the puzzle? Shouldn't he be revealing it now, if it's so groundbreaking? After all, our salvation hangs in the balance!
:really-mad2: :really-mad2: :really-mad2:
Is it me or does Matatics strike anyone else as a modern day Super-apostle?
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I sent him a letter challenging him to debate. I dunno, since I'm not a "name" I might not get a response (it's that 'sensation' thing).
I don't think that Matatics is a "big name" by any means. Most of the Protestants that he used to debate years ago, won't debate him because they find him a bit over the top.
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That's evil.
Maybe so but doesn't the SSPX lose a lot of priests? I've never seen a good explanation for the sheer numbers of disaffected.
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Ooooh! Dinner with Mr. Alquist!
So what's this "missing piece" of the puzzle? Shouldn't he be revealing it now, if it's so groundbreaking? After all, our salvation hangs in the balance!
No doubt, St. Jude, this will cost you money to find out. If our salvation truly did hang in the balance on this missing link, he should give the info away for free.
Maybe if you $end $ome $$$ you will be one of the $pecial one$ who find$ out the $coop.
Here is the re$t of Gerry'$ me$$age that was not in the OP..
So I'm deeply grateful to my friend whose generous loan made this entire trip possible. Without that loan, none of the above would have taken place.
For my part, I gladly undertook this exhausting ordeal of a trip (driving over 7000 miles through 17 states to speak in 30 cities in 30 days, often driving 8 or more hours a day, sometimes driving all night as well) because I think our country has a very limited time to repent and embrace the true Faith or quite literally perish. My study and preparations, my time and energy, my labors on the trip, the physical punishment the stresses of the trip entailed, my month-long separation from the rest of my family -- all these I gladly sacrificed to Almighty God out of love for Him, love for our Holy Mother Church, and love for the life-changing Catholic Faith.
I pinched every possible penny, often eating only one meal a day, getting discounted hotel rooms for as little as $59.95, saving some additional bucks by not even getting a sleeping room some evenings after my talk but simply driving through the night to the next city, bargaining hard with each hotel to get the meeting space as cheaply as possible. Several hotels let me have their meeting room for free, most charged in the $50-$75 price range, the hotel in Cincinnati charged $175 ($25 an hour, which seemed like a good deal until the Q & A session went to 2 am!). But the gas and tolls came to nearly $1000, the postage to mail out fliers cost another $1000, and there were other necessary miscellaneous expenses (two 3,000-mile oil changes & check-ups for my car, a new tire, etc.). All those trip expenses added up to a total cost of over $10,000, which was about what I'd estimated before I set out. (Long experience has shown me that each day on such a trip averages a bit over $300 in its various expenses.)
More significantly, however, the trip's expenses were more than double its income, i.e., what I made in book & CD sales and donations, leaving me with a nearly $6000 shortfall. That made my friend's loan doubly appreciated, but also makes repaying it an interesting challenge.
I cannot leave my friend holding the bag for his sacrificial loan. So I offer the following proposals:
1) If you can make an after-the-fact donation towards this trip of $100 to help me close the deficit gap between the trip's expenses and income so as to be able to repay my friend, I will send you a 2-CD recording of my "Deadline 2012: Decoding the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr's Hidden Agenda" talk before it becomes available to the general public, plus a copy of Fr. Dennis Fahey's crucial book The Kingship of Christ and Organized Naturalism, which just came back into print as I was leaving on my trip, enabling me to sell it at every location where I gave my talk. In my estimation this book is the single most important book ever written on the current economic, political, cultural, and spiritual crisis engulfing our world today. If you have not read any of Fr. Fahey's books, the general consensus among students of his work is that this volume is the very best introduction to his thought; if you read only one book by him, this should be it. (To put my money where my mouth is, I am currently reading this book out loud to my family during our daily family prayer and study time, a few pages each day.)
2) If you can donate $200, I'll send you not only the 2-CD set and Fr. Fahey's book but also copies of two additional books crucial for understanding the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr's history, methods, agenda, and real identity: The Secret Powers Behind Revolution and Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and the Vatican, both by the great traditional Catholic French nobleman, writer, and leader, the Vicomte Leon de Poncins. These two books are must reading if you wish to understand what's going on today, and are not currently available from my online store.
3) If you can send $300, I'll send you the 2 CDs, all three books, plus two additional books, the two most thorough and devastating critiques of the New Mass ever written: The Robber Church, the anthology of Patrick Henry Omlor's writings, and Fr. Anthony Cekada's new book, Work of Human Hands: A Theological Critique of the Mass of Paul VI. (My offering of these invaluable books should not be construed as a blanket endorsement of the views of either author on other matters; both would vigorously disagree with my "recusant" position on the illegitimacy of post-Vatican II traditionalist clergy -- including the priesthood of Fr. Cekada himself.) Nonetheless, each of these books contains several hundred pages of priceless research and docuмentation, and is literally life-changing. Neither book is currently offered on my online store, though I sold them at every city on this tour.
If you wish to donate, please do NOT use the "PayPal" button on my website, as I currently have an issue with PayPal that I need to resolve. Instead, please donate either by credit card (we accept Visa, MasterCard, and Discover), or by check or money order, per the following instructions:
1. If donating by credit card, please call me at (570) 969-1724. If you get my voicemail because I'm away from my desk, please leave your name, address (both snail mail and email address, if you have one), phone number, credit card number -- including the 3-digit security code on the back -- and expiration date, and the amount you wish to donate.
(If you choose to supply this information via email, I advise people against supplying their complete credit card information in a single email, for security reasons. I would suggest including only the first half of your credit card number, i.e., the first 8 digits, in one email, and then provide the second half of the credit card number, together with the 3-digit security code and expiration date, in a second email. Don't forget to supply the other needed information -- full name, address, phone number, amount of donation -- in one of the two email messages!)
2. If you prefer not to use a credit card, please send a check or money order, made out to "Biblical Foundations International," to: Gerry Matatics, PO Box 569, Dunmore PA 18512.
I will personally call each donor who responds to this appeal to thank you and answer any Biblical, theological, or apologetics questions you may have. Thank you so much for whatever you can do. We must all make great sacrifices to help save souls, and to save our country from God's wrath. (I hope you don't think the recent mid-term election results are sufficient to save us, since the same globalist elite effectively controls both major parties in this country.) I am happy to offer the little sacrifice of this lecture tour, like all the hundreds of similar lecture tours I've taken over the past quarter of a century. I hope that you can join me in this sacrifice by your financial assistance. With the possible exception of a lecture tour of Alaska and Hawaii this coming spring to complete my megatour of all 50 states, this recently completed trip is the last road trip/speaking tour I plan on taking in the continental US, and thus the last such trip I'll ever be asking you to donate to.
(I hope to spend the rest of November and December completing my 25-CD set "Riding the Train of Truth All the Way to the End of the Line" as well as the 8-CD set "The Plot Against the Church, Vol. 3" to get them to people in time for Christmas, and to finish designing the new website to launch it by January 1.)
May God richly bless you and all your loved ones. I pray for you and them every day in my rosaries and other prayers.
Yours for the conversion of our tottering nation to the One True Faith, before it's too late,
Gerry Matatics
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Is it me or does Matatics strike anyone else as a modern day Super-apostle?
Beg pardon, but what's a "Super-apostle"?
:tinfoil:
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Did you have to post that, RC? I just ruined my dinner reading the first part, and now you've ruined by dessert!
What a self-seving blowhard!
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Maybe if you $end $ome $$$ you will be one of the $pecial one$ who find$ out the $coop.
Here is the re$t of Gerry'$ me$$age that was not in the OP..
So I'm deeply grateful to my friend whose generous loan made this entire trip possible. Without that loan, none of the above would have taken place.
For my part, I gladly undertook this exhausting ordeal of a trip (driving over 7000 miles through 17 states to speak in 30 cities in 30 days, often driving 8 or more hours a day, sometimes driving all night as well) because I think our country has a very limited time to repent and embrace the true Faith or quite literally perish. My study and preparations, my time and energy, my labors on the trip, the physical punishment the stresses of the trip entailed, my month-long separation from the rest of my family -- all these I gladly sacrificed to Almighty God out of love for Him, love for our Holy Mother Church, and love for the life-changing Catholic Faith.
I pinched every possible penny, often eating only one meal a day, getting discounted hotel rooms for as little as $59.95, saving some additional bucks by not even getting a sleeping room some evenings after my talk but simply driving through the night to the next city, bargaining hard with each hotel to get the meeting space as cheaply as possible. Several hotels let me have their meeting room for free, most charged in the $50-$75 price range, the hotel in Cincinnati charged $175 ($25 an hour, which seemed like a good deal until the Q & A session went to 2 am!). But the gas and tolls came to nearly $1000, the postage to mail out fliers cost another $1000, and there were other necessary miscellaneous expenses (two 3,000-mile oil changes & check-ups for my car, a new tire, etc.). All those trip expenses added up to a total cost of over $10,000, which was about what I'd estimated before I set out. (Long experience has shown me that each day on such a trip averages a bit over $300 in its various expenses.)
More significantly, however, the trip's expenses were more than double its income, i.e., what I made in book & CD sales and donations, leaving me with a nearly $6000 shortfall. That made my friend's loan doubly appreciated, but also makes repaying it an interesting challenge.
I cannot leave my friend holding the bag for his sacrificial loan. So I offer the following proposals:
1) If you can make an after-the-fact donation towards this trip of $100 to help me close the deficit gap between the trip's expenses and income so as to be able to repay my friend, I will send you a 2-CD recording of my "Deadline 2012: Decoding the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr's Hidden Agenda" talk before it becomes available to the general public, plus a copy of Fr. Dennis Fahey's crucial book The Kingship of Christ and Organized Naturalism, which just came back into print as I was leaving on my trip, enabling me to sell it at every location where I gave my talk. In my estimation this book is the single most important book ever written on the current economic, political, cultural, and spiritual crisis engulfing our world today. If you have not read any of Fr. Fahey's books, the general consensus among students of his work is that this volume is the very best introduction to his thought; if you read only one book by him, this should be it. (To put my money where my mouth is, I am currently reading this book out loud to my family during our daily family prayer and study time, a few pages each day.)
2) If you can donate $200, I'll send you not only the 2-CD set and Fr. Fahey's book but also copies of two additional books crucial for understanding the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr's history, methods, agenda, and real identity: The Secret Powers Behind Revolution and Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and the Vatican, both by the great traditional Catholic French nobleman, writer, and leader, the Vicomte Leon de Poncins. These two books are must reading if you wish to understand what's going on today, and are not currently available from my online store.
3) If you can send $300, I'll send you the 2 CDs, all three books, plus two additional books, the two most thorough and devastating critiques of the New Mass ever written: The Robber Church, the anthology of Patrick Henry Omlor's writings, and Fr. Anthony Cekada's new book, Work of Human Hands: A Theological Critique of the Mass of Paul VI. (My offering of these invaluable books should not be construed as a blanket endorsement of the views of either author on other matters; both would vigorously disagree with my "recusant" position on the illegitimacy of post-Vatican II traditionalist clergy -- including the priesthood of Fr. Cekada himself.) Nonetheless, each of these books contains several hundred pages of priceless research and docuмentation, and is literally life-changing. Neither book is currently offered on my online store, though I sold them at every city on this tour.
If you wish to donate, please do NOT use the "PayPal" button on my website, as I currently have an issue with PayPal that I need to resolve. Instead, please donate either by credit card (we accept Visa, MasterCard, and Discover), or by check or money order, per the following instructions:
1. If donating by credit card, please call me at (570) 969-1724. If you get my voicemail because I'm away from my desk, please leave your name, address (both snail mail and email address, if you have one), phone number, credit card number -- including the 3-digit security code on the back -- and expiration date, and the amount you wish to donate.
(If you choose to supply this information via email, I advise people against supplying their complete credit card information in a single email, for security reasons. I would suggest including only the first half of your credit card number, i.e., the first 8 digits, in one email, and then provide the second half of the credit card number, together with the 3-digit security code and expiration date, in a second email. Don't forget to supply the other needed information -- full name, address, phone number, amount of donation -- in one of the two email messages!)
2. If you prefer not to use a credit card, please send a check or money order, made out to "Biblical Foundations International," to: Gerry Matatics, PO Box 569, Dunmore PA 18512.
I will personally call each donor who responds to this appeal to thank you and answer any Biblical, theological, or apologetics questions you may have. Thank you so much for whatever you can do. We must all make great sacrifices to help save souls, and to save our country from God's wrath. (I hope you don't think the recent mid-term election results are sufficient to save us, since the same globalist elite effectively controls both major parties in this country.) I am happy to offer the little sacrifice of this lecture tour, like all the hundreds of similar lecture tours I've taken over the past quarter of a century. I hope that you can join me in this sacrifice by your financial assistance. With the possible exception of a lecture tour of Alaska and Hawaii this coming spring to complete my megatour of all 50 states, this recently completed trip is the last road trip/speaking tour I plan on taking in the continental US, and thus the last such trip I'll ever be asking you to donate to.
(I hope to spend the rest of November and December completing my 25-CD set "Riding the Train of Truth All the Way to the End of the Line" as well as the 8-CD set "The Plot Against the Church, Vol. 3" to get them to people in time for Christmas, and to finish designing the new website to launch it by January 1.)
May God richly bless you and all your loved ones. I pray for you and them every day in my rosaries and other prayers.
Yours for the conversion of our tottering nation to the One True Faith, before it's too late,
Gerry Matatics[/quote]
If home-alone-ing doesn't pay out for Gerry, maybe he can take Billy Mays place. :rahrah:
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Is it me or does Matatics strike anyone else as a modern day Super-apostle?
Beg pardon, but what's a "Super-apostle"?
:tinfoil:
A Super-apostle or great apostle was a false apostle in the Early Church who boasted of their own greatness and tried to siphon away some of the members/converts that St Peter and St Paul made.
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A Super-apostle or great apostle was a false apostle in the Early Church who boasted of their own greatness and tried to siphon away some of the members/converts that St Peter and St Paul made.
I just wonder how many of the people who are at odds with the SSPX were driven off because of the seeming inability to handle disagreements and arguments in a reasonable and forthright way? How many Catholics have gone full circle, sspx - sede - fssp? And how many have lost the Faith.? You can't preserve the Faith with hand-waving arguments - judging by catechism class that's the way some of the priests argue - and it's a real problem - it's pretty bad when you wonder if the priest doesn't care if some people start to have a low opinion of SSPX apologetics because of the low quality of the class.
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I don't think that Gerry Matatics ever really changes anyone's mind on any issue. He speaks too fast, goes off on many tangents, frequently says he'll put background notes onto his website but never does, and is unfocussed in his presentations.
On the other hand, his talks can be entertaining and, thus, they encourage people to look deeper into various issues.
Gerry Matatics was one of the first people I heard talking that led me to tradition, however, it was Father Wathen's book, The Great Sacrilege, a Conciliar priest inventing new words of Consecration, and the archbishop's utter indifference about it that pushed me out of the Novus Ordo.
Gerry Matatics was one of the first people I heard talking about sedevacantism, but his arguments did not sway me for it was just one person talking and asserting many things to be true which I could not, at first, verify. What actually brought me to the realization of the accuracy of the sedevacantist theory was the reasoned and well-thought out arguments of people such as John Lane and John Daly as well as other personal experiences I have had and witnessed.
Gerry Matatics was one of the first people I heard talking about the "home alone" issue. This is the first time, however, that he seems to make absolutely no sense. I cannot follow his arguments as they seem to be rooted in certain laws and policies that the Church decreed for ordinary times. He does not show, in any way, that the principles he uses to assert his new theory could have applied in every age of the Church, from Pentecost Sunday to the Roman persecutions to Elizabethan England and the Protestant Revolution to the present day. Principles apply at all times, not just when it is convenient to make a case.
I'll continue to listen to his arguments, but I cannot accept his thesis as long as I can see parallels between today and the days of Saint Edmund Campion.
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If Gerry Matatics has gained a lot of people, it is because many traditionals are worn out, battle weary, disillusioned and malcontent. They left the novus ordo church for what they thought were greener pastures, and only found manure. They sought a haven and found an asylum.
Face it - no matter where you go in traditional circles there are problems. A lot of forceful personalities in the pews that are adamant in their views. A lot of people with different views of what exactly being "traditional" means.
This is just a forum - and we are at each others throats at times here. It is no different in traditional chapels.
Hence, the Home Alone Church of Gerry Matatics gains support because the thought of sitting home with your missal on Sunday amidst the peace and quiet of your home is enticing.
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Haven't noticed any of that at the Mount. Maybe because I just go to Mass and hurry home. I have to care for my mom, and don't like leaving her too long alone.
We do have coffee and doughnuts after Mass in our dining room, but when I stay, I usually sit with my family, and a few close friends.
Maybe there are some at the Mount with hard pressed views, but haven't really found them yet.
Coming here was a real surprise to me, when I posted on a novus ordo forum, and was trying to open their eyes to what was going on the people there seemed kinder then here. They asked a lot of questions but very little ad hominems.
"Rogue Bishop forum" was difficult, so many people in such pain, because of Schukardt.
I do believe that people who want to leave for home alone and after hearing Matatics, he just gives them the excuse they are looking for. Not all will persevere in the Faith, else God would have never said, "He who perseveres to the end will be saved". I do believe that for some they thought the "end" was in the near future and when it didn't happen they feel betrayed.
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If you don't know them, Myrna, I do, and I assure you that they are there at the Mount.
Coming here was a real surprise to me, when I posted on a novus ordo forum, and was trying to open their eyes to what was going on the people there seemed kinder then here. They asked a lot of questions but very little ad hominems.
You mustn't have gone to Catholic Answers Forum or to FE. Go there and tell them you are a sede and see what happens.
"Rogue Bishop forum" was difficult, so many people in such pain, because of Schukardt.
The Rogue Bishop Forum was a disgrace, and I am grateful that one of the CMRI priests was instrumental in getting it closed down and forever gone from the world wide web.
I do believe that people who want to leave for home alone and after hearing Matatics, he just gives them the excuse they are looking for. Not all will persevere in the Faith, else God would have never said, "He who perseveres to the end will be saved". I do believe that for some they thought the "end" was in the near future and when it didn't happen they feel betrayed.
I agree that Gerry furnished them with the excuse they were longing for but I don't know any traditional Catholic that sought refuge in a traditional chapel because they thought the end was near. I am sure that some have, it is just that I have not encountered any. If they felt betrayed, it is because they sought a haven and found just another chapel full of people with original sin in the pews.
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How is it that I think this thread is something one would find in Alice in Wonderland? Curiouser and Couriouser. Through the looking glass we shall go indeed
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How is it that I think this thread is something one would find in Alice in Wonderland? Curiouser and Couriouser. Through the looking glass we shall go indeed
What do you mean?
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I mean that some people are very smug and sure about things and perhaps they are in wonderland.
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...just another chapel full of people with original sin in the pews.
Just a little clarification:
If the people in the pews have been baptized they are no longer in Original Sin.
But we all still have a fallen human nature, hence we are such problematic creatures.
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It is ironic that he basis a lot of his claim on the jurisdiction issue, when Bishop Fellay's recent statements seem to indicate that the Pope and Rome have been privately approving of the Society's actions, including their confessions.
So Metatics is actually espousing...what? A version of Dimond Catholicism? A sort of Sede-Feeneyite-I'm the only true Catholic left, home alone, isolationism?
So the SSPX seminarian left to....go home and pray by himself for the rest of his life because there is no Church? Follow Gerry around in his mobile home lecture tours as his personal assistant?
I don't get it....
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...just another chapel full of people with original sin in the pews.
Just a little clarification:
If the people in the pews have been baptized they are no longer in Original Sin.
But we all still have a fallen human nature, hence we are such problematic creatures.
Yes, I am aware that baptism removes original sin but leaves the effects.
In the future, I will be more careful in how I word things (I hope :tinfoil:).
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It is ironic that he basis a lot of his claim on the jurisdiction issue, when Bishop Fellay's recent statements seem to indicate that the Pope and Rome have been privately approving of the Society's actions, including their confessions.
So Metatics is actually espousing...what? A version of Dimond Catholicism? A sort of Sede-Feeneyite-I'm the only true Catholic left, home alone, isolationism?
So the SSPX seminarian left to....go home and pray by himself for the rest of his life because there is no Church? Follow Gerry around in his mobile home lecture tours as his personal assistant?
I don't get it....
I think that my dear husband made the most astute comment to date: "That's crazy!".
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...just another chapel full of people with original sin in the pews.
Just a little clarification:
If the people in the pews have been baptized they are no longer in Original Sin.
But we all still have a fallen human nature, hence we are such problematic creatures.
Yes, I am aware that baptism removes original sin but leaves the effects.
In the future, I will be more careful in how I word things (I hope :tinfoil:).
Ha ha. We all make mistakes wording things. I presumed that you knew the relevant theology; but was just clarifying for other casual readers.
Actually why did I bother when there are so many real and serious errors posted here and all over the web.
:cheers:
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It is ironic that he basis a lot of his claim on the jurisdiction issue, when Bishop Fellay's recent statements seem to indicate that the Pope and Rome have been privately approving of the Society's actions, including their confessions.
So Metatics is actually espousing...what? A version of Dimond Catholicism? A sort of Sede-Feeneyite-I'm the only true Catholic left, home alone, isolationism?
So the SSPX seminarian left to....go home and pray by himself for the rest of his life because there is no Church? Follow Gerry around in his mobile home lecture tours as his personal assistant?
I don't get it....
I think that my dear husband made the most astute comment to date: "That's crazy!".
A friend sent me this pic as her comment on thhe Matatics statement:
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I must admit, the idea of a cross country tour giving talks I'm passionate about is pretty cool. At least he got a neat experience out of it, if nothing else. I'm not sure how he's feeding his family though!
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I must admit, the idea of a cross country tour giving talks I'm passionate about is pretty cool. At least he got a neat experience out of it, if nothing else. I'm not sure how he's feeding his family though!
He is very skilled at begging and pleading for donation$.
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It is ironic that he basis a lot of his claim on the jurisdiction issue, when Bishop Fellay's recent statements seem to indicate that the Pope and Rome have been privately approving of the Society's actions, including their confessions.
I thought he was a sedevacantist. Anyway, unofficial approval is not approval. The Pope wrote that the SSPX has no ministry in the Church. Are we supposed to go by what Bishop Fellay tells us the Pope really thinks?
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The fact that he convinced a future priest that has spent 8 years of his life at hard study to give it all up and follow Gerry is satanic. I do not understand this man.
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It is ironic that he basis a lot of his claim on the jurisdiction issue, when Bishop Fellay's recent statements seem to indicate that the Pope and Rome have been privately approving of the Society's actions, including their confessions.
I thought he was a sedevacantist. Anyway, unofficial approval is not approval. The Pope wrote that the SSPX has no ministry in the Church. Are we supposed to go by what Bishop Fellay tells us the Pope really thinks?
He is a Sede. He uses jurisdiction to say all Trad priests are illegitimate.
Bishop Fellay has letters from Rome completely approving of confessions involving excommunications. Also the Society was apparently secretly regularized for a few weeks during the ordinations!
Anyway. Gerry's basing his jurisdiction claim on a thin reed is all I'm saying. I think it will come out that Rome recognized they had supplied jurisdiction all along.
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The fact that he convinced a future priest that has spent 8 years of his life at hard study to give it all up and follow Gerry is satanic. I do not understand this man.
he is effect is really a protestant still in practice, not belief, in that he knows better then all others, relies on his own thoughts/studies and the home alone fits well there, as there is no sin in many prot circles about not attending worship services.....used to be more in older days (1800's and older) you were disciplined or cast out....
he is a functional prot with Catholic skin.....
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A top seminarian -- a brilliant and exceptionally gifted young man -- in his final (7th) year of preparing for the priesthood at an SSPX seminary, with whom I spent an afternoon at a stop on my trip, pointing out to him the hopelessly inconsistent and indeed illegitimate nature of the SSPX, has left the seminary and returned home, apparently sending a few shock waves through the SSPX seminary community and beyond.
said seminarian is obviously none to committed then to priesthood or Gerry weilds a lot of :devil2: influence, one or other.....
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He admits he is a recusant, which gives him a lot of self satisfaction, no doubt.
Really slams Ahlquist, while trying to say he was not. I had dinner, too, with Dale back 9/2009, nice guy and very decent. No a SV, but not a squishy NO either....That day, had lunch with M.Matt, nice fellow as well, not evil at all (though I disgree with his stances and that of Remnant during the 2008 elections).
A real insult to both men....
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Is it me or does Matatics strike anyone else as a modern day Super-apostle?
yup, set to re-institute the Church on his own education and book learning (say Prot). There is a bible quote on this:
Proverbs 3:5-6
5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
6 in all your ways submit to him,
and he will make your paths straight
(not had time to see the DRV on this, for quick look up, went with Prot version)
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He went from Prot to NO to Trad to Sede to Prot!
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Belloc, I am with you on Mr. Dale Ahlquist. Never met him but when things go right in my house and I have the time I do watch his program Apostle of Common Sense. They also have a Christmas program based on a play or story of Chesterton each year.
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Belloc, my husband said the same thing you said about him still being protestant. He also said "He went from bible alone to missal alone."
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Belloc, I am with you on Mr. Dale Ahlquist. Never met him but when things go right in my house and I have the time I do watch his program Apostle of Common Sense. They also have a Christmas program based on a play or story of Chesterton each year.
EWTN has some audio podcasts of his show....he seemed sincere and not one of those faddy Catholics you see at youth days....his magazine is good, my subscription ran out, may ask for it for Christmas again...over all, he came off sincere and noted at beginning of conference, that we are Catholics and what we talked about that day would likely upset some people, esp non-Catholics and if so, oh well.....
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Wonder who the mysterious benefactor is that loaned him the $6000
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http://www.chesterton.excerptsofinri.com/
http://www.ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/seriessearchprog.asp?seriesID=6140
audio, etc for Chesterton/Ahlquist
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Wonder who the mysterious benefactor is that loaned him the $6000
Another mystery! :detective:
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Gerry Matatics, I figure you are probably reading this thread, so here's a question for you:
How will you answer to Almighty God for pulling souls away from the Sacraments?
Most Traditional Catholics will agree that this is a time of confusion, but the answer to the confusion is to avail ourselves of the Sacraments whenever possible.
You are doing the work of the devil by leading souls away from the Sacraments! I tremble to think of what will await you on Judgment day as a result of all the graces that you will have caused people to lose.
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You know what frustrates me is all these Prot converts that convert and then they are automatic superstars. They can even make a living off of doing religious things.
Meanwhile, those of us who are cradle Catholics and grew up in the Modernist schools and parishes, but despite that preserved our Faith, have to find secular jobs to survive. Not only that but those of us who were conned by conservative Novus Ordo groups to whom we gave years of dedication to receive little to no help in rebuilding our lives (just ask any young person who was conned into joining the Legionaries), yet these newcomers are celebs.
If I had just grew up a Prot and converted I could tour the USA giving talks and I would be like a celeb. Or I could make $200,000 a year like certain heads of Catholic apologetic organizations. Sheesh, I just would be happy with 50,000 a year so I could get married and raise a Catholic family.
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Well I do not think Matatics can be accused of doing what he does just for the money. He could have earned a heck of a lot more money if he had stayed in the Novus Ordo and been a celeb. He would even have earned more than he can now if he had taken a SSPX-type stance. The sede stance in not popular, but the latest home-alone stance is even less popular.
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Trady,
The biggest irony is that before these big name Protestant converts came out in the 90's there was almost no popular mainstream N.O. Catholic apologetics to speak of. At least none I can remember.
It took converts to actually come in and have the "nerve" to state publicly they think the Catholic Church is the Church of Christ and actually try to debate other Prots. It seemed before that (and after it) the official Church shied away from any apologetics or even trying to persuade people to convert.
Notice these apologists trying to get converts are always having to work independently of the official Church. There is "The Coming Home Network" which does a good job providing a network and support system for Protestants who are looking into the Faith, but they are not affiliated with any diocese and get their air time from EWTN which is also independent.
If we had to wait for local diocesan Bishops and Rome to spearhead apologetics/ conversion efforts, we'd be waiting a long time. It's most non-ecuмenical...
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@Roman Catholic
Yeah I was not talking really about Gerry but rather the converts in general, this thread just kind of reminded me of the whole convert movement...sorry I didn't make that clear.
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@Roman Catholic
Yeah I was not talking really about Gerry but rather the converts in general, this thread just kind of reminded me of the whole convert movement...sorry I didn't make that clear.
That's ok. My post was not specifically directed to you; I had thought of saying that before but forgot until I saw you post.