Author Topic: GERRY MATATICS RECENT MEGA-TOUR (Read 6114 times)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #15 on:** November 10, 2010, 09:11:57 PM »

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A Super-apostle or great apostle was a false apostle in the Early Church who boasted of their own greatness and tried to siphon away some of the members/converts that St Peter and St Paul made.

I just wonder how many of the people who are at odds with the SSPX were driven off because of the seeming inability to handle disagreements and arguments in a reasonable and forthright way? How many Catholics have gone full circle, sspx - sede - fssp? And how many have lost the Faith.? You can't preserve the Faith with hand-waving arguments - judging by catechism class that's the way some of the priests argue - and it's a real problem - it's pretty bad when you wonder if the priest doesn't care if some people start to have a low opinion of SSPX apologetics because of the low quality of the class.

TKGS · « **Reply #16 on:** November 11, 2010, 07:26:49 AM »

I don't think that Gerry Matatics ever really changes anyone's mind on any issue. He speaks too fast, goes off on many tangents, frequently says he'll put background notes onto his website but never does, and is unfocussed in his presentations.

On the other hand, his talks can be entertaining and, thus, they encourage people to look deeper into various issues.

Gerry Matatics was one of the first people I heard talking that led me to tradition, however, it was Father Wathen's book, The Great Sacrilege, a Conciliar priest inventing new words of Consecration, and the archbishop's utter indifference about it that pushed me out of the Novus Ordo.

Gerry Matatics was one of the first people I heard talking about sedevacantism, but his arguments did not sway me for it was just one person talking and asserting many things to be true which I could not, at first, verify. What actually brought me to the realization of the accuracy of the sedevacantist theory was the reasoned and well-thought out arguments of people such as John Lane and John Daly as well as other personal experiences I have had and witnessed.

Gerry Matatics was one of the first people I heard talking about the "home alone" issue. This is the first time, however, that he seems to make absolutely no sense. I cannot follow his arguments as they seem to be rooted in certain laws and policies that the Church decreed for ordinary times. He does not show, in any way, that the principles he uses to assert his new theory could have applied in every age of the Church, from Pentecost Sunday to the Roman persecutions to Elizabethan England and the Protestant Revolution to the present day. Principles apply at all times, not just when it is convenient to make a case.

I'll continue to listen to his arguments, but I cannot accept his thesis as long as I can see parallels between today and the days of Saint Edmund Campion.

Alexandria · « **Reply #17 on:** November 11, 2010, 11:31:31 AM »

If Gerry Matatics has gained a lot of people, it is because many traditionals are worn out, battle weary, disillusioned and malcontent. They left the novus ordo church for what they thought were greener pastures, and only found manure. They sought a haven and found an asylum.

Face it - no matter where you go in traditional circles there are problems. A lot of forceful personalities in the pews that are adamant in their views. A lot of people with different views of what exactly being "traditional" means.

This is just a forum - and we are at each others throats at times here. It is no different in traditional chapels.

Hence, the Home Alone Church of Gerry Matatics gains support because the thought of sitting home with your missal on Sunday amidst the peace and quiet of your home is enticing.

:soapbox:

MyrnaM · « **Reply #18 on:** November 11, 2010, 11:50:34 AM »

Haven't noticed any of that at the Mount. Maybe because I just go to Mass and hurry home. I have to care for my mom, and don't like leaving her too long alone.

We do have coffee and doughnuts after Mass in our dining room, but when I stay, I usually sit with my family, and a few close friends.

Maybe there are some at the Mount with hard pressed views, but haven't really found them yet.

Coming here was a real surprise to me, when I posted on a novus ordo forum, and was trying to open their eyes to what was going on the people there seemed kinder then here. They asked a lot of questions but very little ad hominems.

"Rogue Bishop forum" was difficult, so many people in such pain, because of Schukardt.

I do believe that people who want to leave for home alone and after hearing Matatics, he just gives them the excuse they are looking for. Not all will persevere in the Faith, else God would have never said, "He who perseveres to the end will be saved". I do believe that for some they thought the "end" was in the near future and when it didn't happen they feel betrayed.

Alexandria · « **Reply #19 on:** November 11, 2010, 12:04:03 PM »

If you don't know them, Myrna, I do, and I assure you that they are there at the Mount.

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Coming here was a real surprise to me, when I posted on a novus ordo forum, and was trying to open their eyes to what was going on the people there seemed kinder then here. They asked a lot of questions but very little ad hominems.

You mustn't have gone to Catholic Answers Forum or to FE. Go there and tell them you are a sede and see what happens.

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"Rogue Bishop forum" was difficult, so many people in such pain, because of Schukardt.

The Rogue Bishop Forum was a disgrace, and I am grateful that one of the CMRI priests was instrumental in getting it closed down and forever gone from the world wide web.

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I do believe that people who want to leave for home alone and after hearing Matatics, he just gives them the excuse they are looking for. Not all will persevere in the Faith, else God would have never said, "He who perseveres to the end will be saved". I do believe that for some they thought the "end" was in the near future and when it didn't happen they feel betrayed.

I agree that Gerry furnished them with the excuse they were longing for but I don't know any traditional Catholic that sought refuge in a traditional chapel because they thought the end was near. I am sure that some have, it is just that I have not encountered any. If they felt betrayed, it is because they sought a haven and found just another chapel full of people with original sin in the pews.

Dawn · « **Reply #20 on:** November 11, 2010, 01:39:08 PM »

How is it that I think this thread is something one would find in Alice in Wonderland? Curiouser and Couriouser. Through the looking glass we shall go indeed

Alexandria · « **Reply #21 on:** November 11, 2010, 01:41:10 PM »

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How is it that I think this thread is something one would find in Alice in Wonderland? Curiouser and Couriouser. Through the looking glass we shall go indeed

What do you mean?

Dawn · « **Reply #22 on:** November 11, 2010, 02:01:46 PM »

I mean that some people are very smug and sure about things and perhaps they are in wonderland.

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #23 on:** November 11, 2010, 07:24:41 PM »

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...just another chapel full of people with original sin in the pews.

Just a little clarification:

If the people in the pews have been baptized they are no longer in Original Sin.

But we all still have a fallen human nature, hence we are such problematic creatures.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #24 on:** November 11, 2010, 07:39:21 PM »

It is ironic that he basis a lot of his claim on the jurisdiction issue, when Bishop Fellay's recent statements seem to indicate that the Pope and Rome have been privately approving of the Society's actions, including their confessions.

So Metatics is actually espousing...what? A version of Dimond Catholicism? A sort of Sede-Feeneyite-I'm the only true Catholic left, home alone, isolationism?

So the SSPX seminarian left to....go home and pray by himself for the rest of his life because there is no Church? Follow Gerry around in his mobile home lecture tours as his personal assistant?

I don't get it....

Alexandria · « **Reply #25 on:** November 11, 2010, 07:39:23 PM »

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...just another chapel full of people with original sin in the pews.

Just a little clarification:

If the people in the pews have been baptized they are no longer in Original Sin.

But we all still have a fallen human nature, hence we are such problematic creatures.

Yes, I am aware that baptism removes original sin but leaves the effects.
In the future, I will be more careful in how I word things (I hope :tinfoil:).

Alexandria · « **Reply #26 on:** November 11, 2010, 07:54:06 PM »

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It is ironic that he basis a lot of his claim on the jurisdiction issue, when Bishop Fellay's recent statements seem to indicate that the Pope and Rome have been privately approving of the Society's actions, including their confessions.

So Metatics is actually espousing...what? A version of Dimond Catholicism? A sort of Sede-Feeneyite-I'm the only true Catholic left, home alone, isolationism?

So the SSPX seminarian left to....go home and pray by himself for the rest of his life because there is no Church? Follow Gerry around in his mobile home lecture tours as his personal assistant?

I don't get it....

I think that my dear husband made the most astute comment to date: "That's crazy!".

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #27 on:** November 11, 2010, 08:09:36 PM »

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...just another chapel full of people with original sin in the pews.

Just a little clarification:

If the people in the pews have been baptized they are no longer in Original Sin.

But we all still have a fallen human nature, hence we are such problematic creatures.

Yes, I am aware that baptism removes original sin but leaves the effects.
In the future, I will be more careful in how I word things (I hope :tinfoil:).

Ha ha. We all make mistakes wording things. I presumed that you knew the relevant theology; but was just clarifying for other casual readers.

Actually why did I bother when there are so many real and serious errors posted here and all over the web.

:cheers:

Alexandria · « **Reply #28 on:** November 11, 2010, 08:11:19 PM »

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Roman Catholic · « **Reply #29 on:** November 11, 2010, 08:13:16 PM »

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Quote from: stevusmagnus
It is ironic that he basis a lot of his claim on the jurisdiction issue, when Bishop Fellay's recent statements seem to indicate that the Pope and Rome have been privately approving of the Society's actions, including their confessions.

So Metatics is actually espousing...what? A version of Dimond Catholicism? A sort of Sede-Feeneyite-I'm the only true Catholic left, home alone, isolationism?

So the SSPX seminarian left to....go home and pray by himself for the rest of his life because there is no Church? Follow Gerry around in his mobile home lecture tours as his personal assistant?

I don't get it....

I think that my dear husband made the most astute comment to date: "That's crazy!".

A friend sent me this pic as her comment on thhe Matatics statement: