Author Topic: Geo-Centrism Conference (Read 7768 times)

Emile · « **Reply #25 on:** April 25, 2021, 11:24:29 PM »

Quote from: apollo on April 25, 2021, 10:17:46 PM

. If you really want to see the arguments against Sungenis,
you will watch the videos, Testing Geocentrism 1-10, on Youtube.
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Can you handle that ? I don't think so. It's much easier to attack
people on CathInfo without looking at the arguments.
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Watch Testing Geocentrism 1 and tell me where the error is ...
or SHUT UP.
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Out of curiosity did you look to see if the claims of "testing geocentrism" (who's channel name is Cool Hard Logic, CHL) had been answered?

Sungenis offered a direct rebuttal 7 years ago (this is just for video 1):

Besides creating countless strawmen to beat up in his series of six videos, CHL is typical of a
bully who picks on weaker victims. CHL’s author consistently argues against a monicker named
Ferniboy100. It is apparent that Ferniboy, although his heart is in the right place, made some
scientific mistakes when explaining how the celestial bodies operate. CHL wastes no time in making the whole geocentric movement appear bogus based on Ferniboy’s ill-fated conclusions.

 At 1:28, CHL cites Ferniboy stating that geocentrism is the only correct model of cosmology
because if the Earth is tilted, then the Earth could never really point toward Polaris or that Polaris
would need to move around to stay with the Earth.
Ferniboy is obviously wrong, but consensus geocentrism does not advocate Ferniboy’s analysis.
CHL doesn’t bother to mention that important fact, but it would be very easy to find in reputable
geocentric literature and videos.
 2:40f: CHL begins a bogus argument that in the geocentric system it would be impossible for the
sun to move up and down in an arc without defying the laws of physics.
What CHL doesn’t understand is that the sun, in the geocentric system, moves vertically in an arc
because the universe itself is oscillating back and forth in a 74 million mile margin. Since the sun
is held in the gravitational field of the universe, the sun will likewise oscillate within the same 74
million mile margin, which turns out to be a maximum angle of 23.5 degrees if measured from
the center of the Earth to the center of the Sun. Hence, because the universe is spherical and
oscillates accordingly, the Sun will move vertically, in an arc, obeying all the present laws of
physics. See figure below.

CHL itself admits to a similar configuration as it demonstrates that as the ecliptic plane moves up and
down through the year, the sun moves in an arc, not straight up and down. This can be seen in CHL’s
Video #2

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at the 4:24 mark.

 3:50f: CHL argues that geocentrism is wrong because the distance between the earth and sun
varies.
This shows that CHL is either ignorant of or purposely ignores the fact that almost all geocentric
systems incorporate varying distance between the Sun and the Earth, using either the same
elliptical orbit for the Sun as the heliocentric system uses for the Earth or giving the Sun varying
speeds in its orbit.

 4:31 CHL says the geocentric position “has no laws, no math, no physics.”
Obviously CHL has not read most of the treatises on geocentrism produced by qualified
scientists, and CHL does not understand the logical conclusions of either Newtonian, Machian or
Einsteinian physics, since each of them make the geocentric universe viable.
 7:53: CHL notes that Ferniboy is using a Ptolemaic model of geocentrism.
Whether he does or doesn’t, this is a strawman argument since no reputable geocentric scientist
today uses Ptolemy’s model. Apparently CHL is not familiar with modern geocentrism, namely
the Tychonic and Neo-Tychonic models. Unfortunately, CHL wastes our time going on its witch
hunt until 9:45.

 9:48 CHL claims that Mars’ retrograde proves heliocentrism. At 9:56 CHL says “this was key to
disproving the view of the ancients.”
Obviously, CHL doesn’t know either astronomy or the geocentric system, since in the Tychonic
model the retrograde motion of Mars is exactly the same as the heliocentric model. See Video #7
at www.galileowaswrong.com

 10:26: CHL says that retrograde motion can be observed even if we put Earth fixed in the center
and watch the sun go around the Earth and the planets go around the sun. CHL then slams
Ferniboy at 10:44 for not being able to see this movement because Ferniboy is using the
Ptolemaic model.
CHL doesn’t realize that its own animation of the Earth-centered view at 10:26 is actually the
reigning geocentric model today, the Tychonic model. In other words, without knowing it, CHL
admits the Tychonic system has the same retrograde motion of the planets as the heliocentric
system. Obviously, then, retrograde motion does not prove heliocentrism.
 11:08: CHL claims that Ptolemy’s problem was “gravity, you f…ing retard.”
I assume we are to identify the author of Cool Hard Logic’s video by this scary character in the
farmer’s hat who looks like he just crawled out of bed. For all CHL’s bluster, it doesn’t
understand that gravity was not the problem for Ptolemy’s model since gravity is a dynamic issue,
not a kinematic issue. Moreover, famous heliocentrists such as Copernicus, Galileo and Kepler
knew nothing about gravity. They worked strictly from kinematics.

 11:21: CHL claims that “we don’t use epicycles today.”
The problem for Ptolemy wasn’t epicycles. The problem was that Ptolemy didn’t know the
distances to the planets, but in place of that ignorance he provided six variables for correction for
those who might find the correct distances. As for epicycles, Copernicus’ system was more
complex than Ptolemy’s since he used 48 epicycles whereas Ptolemy used only 40. See Video #3
for Copernicus epicycles at www.galileowaswrong.com.
The truth is, we still use “epicycles” today, but they are called by different names, such as Fourier
analysis. The reason we need such crutches is that it is next to impossible to determine the exact
ʀɛʋօʟutιօns of the planets due to their constant perturbations. We can estimate them, but they are
never exact, since we have no math beyond a three-body problem to calculate them.

 11:26: After displaying wild gyrations and comical music of the geocentric Tychonic model
above, CHL claims that only the heliocentric view has “non-physics defying elements.”
Obviously CHL doesn’t understand that the same dynamic and kinematic laws are used in the
Tychonic system as in the heliocentric. Of the two models, however, the geocentric is the most
stable, since it requires only a rotating universe whose massive size will create enough inertia to
keep it revolving around Earth ad infinitum. Conversely, heliocentrism has the problem of
explaining why the Earth’s rotation does not decay but is always 23 hours, 56 minute and 4.7
seconds, whereas evolutionists with whom CHL is favorable teach the Earth spun much faster
millions of years ago. Logically, if it spun much faster many years ago, we should be able to
detect it slowing down today by comparing two points of rates. Since Venus and Saturn have
decayed rotation rates, why not Earth?

Emile · « **Reply #26 on:** April 25, 2021, 11:41:31 PM »

Quote from: apollo on April 25, 2021, 10:17:46 PM

It's much easier to attack
people on CathInfo without looking at the arguments.
.

This is a rebuttal video to "testing geocentrism"

Written rebuttal linked in video description on youtube and also attached as pdf. It deals with the points raised in a relatively succinct manner.

If you know of any decent direct rebuttals to geocentrism, by someone who can behave in a becoming manner, I would be interested in viewing or reading it.

Emile · « **Reply #27 on:** April 25, 2021, 11:49:40 PM »

Quote from: apollo on April 25, 2021, 08:34:50 PM

.It does not do any good to argue with IDIOTS, like Sungenis.

If you have a particular animus toward Sungenis, try Dr. Bennett:

apollo · « **Reply #28 on:** April 26, 2021, 12:34:42 AM »

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Like I said, "You cannot argue with IDIOTS".
No arguments from me.

You guys don't even understand the most basic fundamental
force in the universe which is responsible for the movements
of the planets in our solar system.
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Have you heard of the universal gravitational constant ?
Do you know the formula used to compute the force of
one body on another ?
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You talk about gravitational force of the universe ?
This is stupidity in action.
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There's no argument you guys could comprehend.
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Believe in Sungenis. I don't care. I had my rant.
I had to show that there is another side to this Geocentrism
bullshit.
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Let the brain dead believe Sungenis.
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I'm moving on now. Good Bye.
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Emile · « **Reply #29 on:** April 26, 2021, 12:52:20 AM »

Quote from: apollo on April 26, 2021, 12:34:42 AM

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Like I said, "You cannot argue with IDIOTS".
No arguments from me.
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Have a good evening (or day as the case may be), Apollo.

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