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Re: Geo-Centrism Conference
« Reply #65 on: April 28, 2021, 12:06:45 PM »
Happy to be of service.  

FWIW, the theology of Aristotle is natural theology, i.e. it does not have anything to do with Divine Revelation.  God and things related to God -- i.e., theological matters -- can be limited to only what can be known by unaided reason, OR be expanded to include what can be known by reason illumined by supernatural Faith; clearly, Aristotle was limited to the former.

Again thanks for that Gladius.
Now that is interesting, I never knew there was a natural theology. I suppose you could say it was the study of the 'natural law.' If I am not mistaken, doesn't Catholicism recognise the importance of human beings obeying the natural law, a 'right and wrong' inherent in all human beings? For those whose lives are lived totally ignorant of Jesus Christ, like the many that lived before His time on Earth and the foundation of His Church, or those who lived in places removed from knowledge of the true God, won't they be judged on how they adhered to the natural law?
I once read of tribes-of people found in jungles etc., who adhered to a one-husband, one-wife 'natural law.' I found that very interesting. 

Re: Geo-Centrism Conference
« Reply #66 on: April 28, 2021, 01:18:35 PM »
I don't want to derail this thread, but I have to throw in that I'm extremely sympathetic with Flat Earth theory and have read a lot of evidence that seems to lean in that direction, and a lot of evidence that NASA has been lying to us, the locking down of the Antarctic, lack of any real pictures of the earth (and moon) from space when they have the technology (they use CGI by their own admission).  I could go on for a long time about evidence that I've never seen explained by globe earth theorists.  In that case, the issue with the entire Universe revolving around the earth once every 24 hours goes away.  Nevertheless, that is not preposterous at all.  Assuming a globe earth, imagine that an ant is on the surface of the earth.  How fast is that ant going relative to it own unit of measure.  It rotates around thousands of miles in one 24-hour period and doesn't feel it.  Scientists claim that the galaxies and solar systems are moving through space at breakneck speed but don't feel the G-forces.  So if we don't feel any movement of the earth when we're spinning at 1,000 MPH, and then flying through space at like 70,000 MPH ... with all that we can have butterflies fluttering around unmolested ... then why is it a problem for the entire universe to rotate around the earthy once every 24 hours?

Your not derailing the thread Ladislaus, it is part of the wider debate. The first thing one has to consider in this geocentric debate is that God created the universe to do what it does. Thus any argument from 'science' that says this cannot be that way because of speed or something else is not impossible to God. I wonder are there any atheists who are geocentrists? I bet not.

Now the flat-Earth theory depends on too many conspiracy theories. The main one of course is that there are no real photos of a curved Earth, or of a global Earth as seen from space. For 50 years, men in many different countries, not just NASA, have sent rockets up into the sky, placed things on the moon and Mars, put satellites up there so that we can send instant messages from all around the world to CIF in an instant, but there is a world-wide conspiracy not to let anyone see the Earth is flat. In other words, not one whistle-blower in the world ever told the truth and became famous for it. That is a little far-fetched.

Yes I know their flat Earth is so positioned so as to make it look like a globe that causes the moon to go from bright to not bright over a month or so in a global way, and eclipses of the sun and moon also look like the Earth is a globe. They have even come up with a reason why half on a flat Earth only see northern stars, while others only see a southern sky of stars. But all these things are better understood on a global Earth like every other body visible in the sky. I always saw Flat-earthers as undermining a geocentric one as revealed by God.

As for the effects of speed on the Earth, well there is one big one, the Coriolis effect.

In 1835 a French mathematician by the name of Gaspard de Coriolis (1792-1843) recognised and measured this inertial field that caused many different effects all around the Earth. Now called the ‘Coriolis Effect’ or the ‘Coriolis Force.’ it means that on the Earth’s surface, using the Equator as the fixed neutral point, bodies moving north in the northern hemisphere tend to veer to the right (east), such as the Atlantic gulf stream, while bodies moving south in the southern hemisphere tend to veer to their left (east). The extent of this deflection depends on the distance from the Equator where the effect is almost zero. Knowledge of the Coriolis Effect has now become crucial in the sciences of meteorology, ballistics, satellite dynamics, geology and oceanography.

They say this effect is caused by the Earth's rotation, but geocentrists say it is caused by the rotation of the universe around the Earth. Now this effect, credited to a 1,000 mph rotation, can cause the above, Why doesn't an orbiting Earth at 67,000mph cause a much greater effect? But consider this also. The Coriolas effect is EASTWARD, that is, WITH the turn of the Earth. Now something rotating should leave its effect behind it, not ahead of it yes? In geocentrism, the universe turns WESTWARDS that shouls leave an effect behind it as the Coriolis Effect shows. 



Re: Geo-Centrism Conference
« Reply #67 on: April 28, 2021, 02:04:59 PM »
October 1st & 2nd 2021
Douglas County Fairgrounds
Castle Rock, CO—Kirk Hall
Robert Sungenis will discuss his books:
• Galileo Was Wrong, the Church was Right!
• Scientific Heresies: Their Effect on the Church
• The Geocentric Universe of St. Hildegard


PDFs attached below
Is anyone here (Cathinfo members) planning on going?

Re: Geo-Centrism Conference
« Reply #68 on: April 28, 2021, 02:55:35 PM »
They say this effect is caused by the Earth's rotation, but geocentrists say it is caused by the rotation of the universe around the Earth. Now this effect, credited to a 1,000 mph rotation, can cause the above, Why doesn't an orbiting Earth at 67,000mph cause a much greater effect? 
What does the the Coriolis effect have to do with the speed at the surface due to rotation?
To help you out: what is the Coriolis effect on someone standing on the surface of the earth?
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But consider this also. The Coriolas effect is EASTWARD, that is, WITH the turn of the Earth. Now something rotating should leave its effect behind it, not ahead of it yes? In geocentrism, the universe turns WESTWARDS that shouls leave an effect behind it as the Coriolis Effect shows. 
Is this meant to be an argument for geocentrism or against the mainstream view?
Does it mean a westward Coriolis effect would be an argument against the geocentric system?

Re: Geo-Centrism Conference
« Reply #69 on: April 28, 2021, 03:44:22 PM »
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Do you think the Sungenis video accurately represents and fairly rebuts points in the CHL video?

The rebuttal video is someone reading the first part of Dr. Sungenis' paper which is attached to my previous posts (replies 25 & 26).

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I have watched the first CHL video twice and I do think Sungenis makes a fair, although brief, rebuttal. It would take volumes to address all the claims that CHL makes.

Your quote missed including my last sentence; I duplicate and reaffirm it here:
A substantial amount of the rebuttal video involves the narrator saying CHL doesn't know about a modern geocentric model (apparently called neo-Tychonic).

But that's simply wrong. The CHL video does in fact talk about the neo-Tychonic model starting at about the 11:45 mark (where Apollo had the video start). Before 11:45, the CHL video is going over other geocentric models and the reasons/observations they were abandoned. In discussing each of these other geocentric models, CHL says they didn't work for some reason X. And the rebuttal claims CHL doesn't know about the neo-Tychonic model that allegedly handles X.

I find that sort of rebuttal very poor because:
1) CHL does indeed discuss the neo-Tychonic model (with specific reference to Sungenis), so he obviously knows about it,
2) it seems to me to misrepresent the structure of CHL's video, and
3) this approach doesn't really address CHL's criticisms of the neo-Tychonic model

What is your take on this?

Additionally, the rebuttal video/text claims:
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Conversely, heliocentrism has the problem of
explaining why the Earth’s rotation does not decay but is always 23 hours, 56 minute and 4.7
seconds,
Is this actually claiming in mainstream science the rotation of the earth doesn't vary?

The rotation of the earth definitely varies as these variations in rotation rates are used in space observations. I get the impression that geocentrists are not really aware of all the effects things like precession, nutation, and elasticity of the earth have on space observation. In mainstream science these are local effects and are corrected for.

But if the earth is not rotating or moving, these effects would need to be variations in the movement of the universe around the earth.

So for a geocentrist, every other planet and celestial body follows mainstream physics, but the earth doesn't. Yet the universe moves in a multitude of large and small ways in just the right amounts so that all effects are the same as if the earth moved following mainstream physics like every other planet or celestial body.