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Offline PerEvangelicaDicta

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gαy mafia blamed for Papal resignation in Cardinals report
« on: November 07, 2014, 02:12:26 PM »
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  • This must be what +Williamson alluded to the other night. He said he was presented (just that evening) with some disturbing news that he had to review carefully, that could suggest Pope Benedict resigned under duress or shady circuмstances ( forgive me, I do not remember his exact words).  He made no further comment because he had not yet investigated.  His comment was a brief aside, in a discussion re: apostolic succession.  

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    ROME, February 22, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Italian and international media is consumed today by a story, of Machiavellian complexity, published in the daily La Repubblica, alleging that among the reasons for Pope Benedict’s shocking decision to resign was the existence of an entrenched “gαy network” orchestrating “sɛҳuąƖ encounters” and shady financial machinations within the Vatican.

    Despite their extraordinary nature, few are questioning the claim that a group of three specially appointed senior curial cardinals have presented a 300 page, two-volume docuмent to Pope Benedict detailing the workings and sɛҳuąƖ activities of a network of curial officials.

    La Repubblica said the docuмent is the result of an investigation, ordered by Pope Benedict, into the Vatileaks scandals that seized public attention in Italy for months in early 2012. The docuмent was allegedly presented to the pope December 17 and remains under strict “papal secret,” locked away by Pope Benedict in his own safe.

    The paper, that has not named its sources, says the report cites not only an active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ subculture in the Vatican, but factional “struggles for power and money”. The paper quotes “a man very close” to the docuмent’s authors, who described its contents, saying, “Everything revolves around the non-observance of the sixth and seventh commandment,” the Biblical prohibitions against sɛҳuąƖ impurity and theft.

    The docuмent is said to identify one of the major divides in the Vatican’s internal culture as one of “sɛҳuąƖ orientation”. “For the first time the word ‘ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity’ has been used, read aloud from a written text, in the apartment of Ratzinger… For the first time, although in Latin, the word blackmail, ‘influentiam,’ was used with His Holiness. ‘Impropriam influentiam,’” La Repubblica’s Concita de Gregorio writes.

    The three cardinals – the paper names Spanish cardinal Julian Herranz, Italian cardinal Salvatore De Giorgi and Slovak cardinal Josef Tomko – revealed “a lobby network” identified with the various religious congregations - including the Salesians of Don Bosco and Jesuits – and “geographical origin,” described as “a network united according to sɛҳuąƖ orientation.”

    The paper quotes Cardinal De Giorgi directly, speaking about the pope’s decision to step down for the good of the Church. He said the decision was made as “a gesture of strength, not weakness”.

    “He did it for the good of the Church. He gave a strong message to everyone in the exercise of authority or power who are considered irreplaceable. The Church is made up of men. The Pope has seen the problems and dealt with them in a particularly unusual, far-sighted initiative. He took upon himself the cross, in fact. But not decreased; on the contrary,” De Giorgi said.

    The docuмent, the paper said, included “dozens and dozens of interviews with bishops, cardinals and lay people. In Italy and abroad. Dozens and dozens of reports, reread and signed by the interviewees.” These interviews started with standard quesionnaires and were followed by personal interviews, the findings of which were “checked and cross-checked”.

    The docuмent is remaining secret, and will be kept by Pope Benedict who will place it directly into the hands of the new pope following the conclave. La Repubblica reports that Benedict will also meet with the three cardinals on Thursday, the last day of his pontificate.

    The paper is claiming that it was with the reception of this report that Pope Benedict decided, the week before Christmas, to resign. They cited the comments by Pope Benedict in his homily for Ash Wednesday in which he decried “divisions in the ecclesial body that disfigure the face of the Church.”

    But not everyone is convinced. La Stampa’s Marco Tossati wrote today that, given Cardinal Ratzinger’s 25 years in the very office most concerned with the doctrinal orthodoxy and sɛҳuąƖ behaviour of priests and bishops, “it does not seem very plausible” that he has only now, with the publication of a single report, “suddenly decided to leave the Throne of Peter”.

    The allegations have apparently caught the Vatican’s communications offices by surprise in a time of almost unprecedented turmoil for the Church’s leadership. At a hastily assembled press conference, Father Federico Lombardi would say only, “Neither the cardinals’ commission nor I will make comments to confirm or deny the things that are said about this matter.”

    “Let each one assume his or her own responsibilities. We shall not be following up on the observations that are made about this.”

    It was made public by the Vatican in March last year that Pope Benedict had appointed a commission of cardinals to investigate the so-called Vatileaks scandal. The investigation was carried out on two levels, with Vatican magistrates pursuing a criminal investigation and the Secretariat of State a more in-depth investigation into administrative corruption.

    The result of the criminal investigation was the discovery that the pope’s butler, Paolo Gabriele, had stolen private papers related to internal matters. Some of these were passed to journalist Gianluigi Nuzzi, who later released a best-selling book detailing scandals and infighting within the Vatican.

    Gabriele’s trial was made public and he was found guilty, held in an Italian prison for a short period and then personally pardoned by Pope Benedict. While this had appeared to be the end of the affair according to the newspapers, questions have not stopped circulating about the story behind the headlines.

    It is widely believed in Italy that Gabriele, who was convicted by the Vatican’s court of illegal possession of docuмents of a head of state, had been chosen as a scapegoat and that the background of corruption had remained untouched. Gabriele stated that he stole the docuмents to protect Pope Benedict and fight an entrenched culture of “evil and corruption” among the Vatican’s hierarchy.

    During his trial, Gabriele told the court, “What really shocked me was when I sat down for lunch with the Holy Father and sometimes the pope asked about things that he should have been informed on. It was then that I became firmly convinced of how easy it was to manipulate a person with such enormous powers.” He told Nuzzi in an interview that he was acting with “around 20 other people” in the Vatican, but later denied that he had been helped by anyone to remove the docuмents.

    Certainly faithful Catholics fighting the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖist movement both within and without the Church have known for decades that a powerful ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ subculture among some clergy and bishops took hold of the temporal affairs of the Church in the 1960s and after.

    In his 2002 book “Goodbye Good Men,” US author and investigator Michael Rose described in detail the machinations of what came to be called the “lavender mafia” in the Catholic Church in the US. It docuмented the results of the changes made in the period immediately following the close of the Second Vatican Council in the practices of the Catholic institutions, particularly in seminaries and academia.

    Rose and many others have pointed out that during this period, many of the seminaries abandoned their former rigor in screening prospective priests, allowing large numbers of morally unstable men to be put on track to ordination. This period also coincides closely with the time during which the great majority of the complaints of sɛҳuąƖ abuse are recorded, nearly all by male clerics against adolescent boys and young men. At the same time, the hierarchy of the Church largely ceased emphasising the Church’s teachings on sɛҳuąƖity and the family.

    Related LifeSiteNews story:

    Cardinal Martini and the false theology promoting ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖit


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    gαy mafia blamed for Papal resignation in Cardinals report
    « Reply #1 on: November 07, 2014, 02:46:22 PM »
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  • I keep hearing people bring up this "resigned under duress" thing about Benedict. It's getting tiresome.

    Every pope who accepts an election knows he is the focal point of evil and can be αssαssιnαtҽd at any time, but the true concept of "duress" that is of a character to make a resignation invalid must be that duress taught about in moral theology where the duress actually interferes with a person's free-will. Such duress is momentary. It is not something that exists with an announcement of resignation for a future date, and persists calmly until that scheduled date.


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    « Reply #2 on: November 07, 2014, 05:48:07 PM »
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  • Quote from: Xystus
    I keep hearing people bring up this "resigned under duress" thing about Benedict. It's getting tiresome.

    Every pope who accepts an election knows he is the focal point of evil and can be αssαssιnαtҽd at any time, but the true concept of "duress" that is of a character to make a resignation invalid must be that duress taught about in moral theology where the duress actually interferes with a person's free-will. Such duress is momentary. It is not something that exists with an announcement of resignation for a future date, and persists calmly until that scheduled date.


    Your editorial commentary is general in nature, did you read the article?  If so, perhaps comment on the information stated.

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    « Reply #3 on: November 07, 2014, 06:35:49 PM »
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  • The 300 page Dossier.  The appointment of a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ activist priest as head of the Vatican Bank, one of the most prestigious jobs in the world....the whole year and a half devoted to glorifying weirdness...

    I have no problem believing B16 was forced out, and I really hope you keep us informed as to anything credible you hear, PerEvangelica.  

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    « Reply #4 on: November 07, 2014, 07:52:23 PM »
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  • +Williamson actually sounds like he's entertaining the absurd Kramerian fantasy that Benedict is still Pope; made comments along those lines at that recent talk in Canada (posted on another thread).  Perhaps they were going to out Benedict as gαy.

    Actually, the more likely scenario is that his handlers told him him to step down after he failed to absorb SSPX (that was his mission in feigning to be a conservative, speaking Latin, being God's rottweiler and all).  When he failed, they told him to step aside so they could introduce Jorge.


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    « Reply #5 on: November 07, 2014, 08:01:19 PM »
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  • If I were a betting man, I'd wager 10 to 1 on the fact that Ratzinger is himself gαy.  You only had to watch his face as those gαy acrobats performed nearly nude in front of him, and there are persistent rumors of his little boy toy priest attendant Georg Gänswein.

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    « Reply #6 on: November 07, 2014, 09:55:28 PM »
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    The 300 page Dossier.  The appointment of a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ activist priest as head of the Vatican Bank, one of the most prestigious jobs in the world....the whole year and a half devoted to glorifying weirdness...

    I have no problem believing B16 was forced out, and I really hope you keep us informed as to anything credible you hear, PerEvangelica.  


    What about the fact that he has specifically stated he was not forced out and he has turned up to support the current dog and pony show on multiple occasions?

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    « Reply #7 on: November 08, 2014, 12:57:03 AM »
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    The 300 page Dossier.  The appointment of a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ activist priest as head of the Vatican Bank, one of the most prestigious jobs in the world....the whole year and a half devoted to glorifying weirdness...

    I have no problem believing B16 was forced out, and I really hope you keep us informed as to anything credible you hear, PerEvangelica.  


    What about the fact that he has specifically stated he was not forced out and he has turned up to support the current dog and pony show on multiple occasions?


    It could mean he was happy, and relieved, to be forced out.
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    « Reply #8 on: November 08, 2014, 06:05:06 AM »
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  • Does it really matter?  When Benedict dies, doesn't Francis then become "pope"?  Or would he then consider the seat vacant until Francis dies and a new man is elected?  
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    « Reply #9 on: November 08, 2014, 06:26:01 AM »
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  • No, it doesn't matter.  When Fr. Kramer first became a sedevacantist, he did so based on one specific heresy.  But just a tiny bit of research would reveal that Benedict XVI and JP2 held the exact same position on the subject.

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    « Reply #10 on: November 08, 2014, 07:33:34 AM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    No, it doesn't matter.  When Fr. Kramer first became a sedevacantist, he did so based on one specific heresy.  But just a tiny bit of research would reveal that Benedict XVI and JP2 held the exact same position on the subject.


    I thought the OP was referring to Bishop Williamson.  Is Bishop Williamson, like Fr Kramer, now considering the sedevacantist position wrt Francis (based on this supposed duress)?  
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    « Reply #11 on: November 08, 2014, 12:16:31 PM »
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  • Well, he's certainly not ruling it out:

    You'll notice the presence of one "Fr." Gruner in the background.

    For that matter, he's not ruling out Sedevacante either.  Perhaps +Williamson will become a bit more open-minded on the question now that he doesn't have to play SSPX politics.

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    « Reply #12 on: November 08, 2014, 12:38:40 PM »
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  • 2V, yes it was +W who made the comment this week.  There was a link to the conference posted in another thread.  The context may be heard there, I believe.  It was a quick aside, since he'd not had time to investigate it.   When I came across the article posted, it seemed to fit HE's brief reference.

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    Actually, the more likely scenario is that his handlers told him him to step down after he failed to absorb SSPX (that was his mission in feigning to be a conservative, speaking Latin, being God's rottweiler and all). When he failed, they told him to step aside so they could introduce Jorge.


    Ladislaus, wouldn't that be considered a duress factor?  A pope strong armed into "resignation" under any circuмstance would make the abdication null, n'est ce pas?

    Regardless of how distasteful the pope, the article is very disturbing.  

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    « Reply #13 on: November 08, 2014, 03:06:51 PM »
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    The 300 page Dossier.  The appointment of a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ activist priest as head of the Vatican Bank, one of the most prestigious jobs in the world....the whole year and a half devoted to glorifying weirdness...

    I have no problem believing B16 was forced out, and I really hope you keep us informed as to anything credible you hear, PerEvangelica.  


    What about the fact that he has specifically stated he was not forced out and he has turned up to support the current dog and pony show on multiple occasions?
    That's obviously a valid point, but the Dossier...many intrigues are possible.  He got rid of almost 400 bad priests, and forced O'Brien out at the last minute.  I think it's possible that he agreed to be forced out, or had previously made some deal to change the very nature of being Christ's Vicar on Earth.  

    I feel that the resignation of B16 was one of those events of huge magnitude -- something extremely powerful in the unseen world of angels and saints and demons.

    We all know that feelings are not facts, but one can hardly help trying to make some sense of something so pre-apocalyptic in nature.

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    « Reply #14 on: November 08, 2014, 04:39:18 PM »
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  • The resignation of Benedict may just be pre- apocalyptic in nature but it was most likely planned a very long time ago by men looking to change the appearance of the papacy.

    In 1993 the then Cardinal Ratzinger made a statement about the future changes in the papacy - which may very well happen in 20 years. Well, that was quite a prediction!
    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Fr-Cekada-Mister-Bergoglios-Neighborhood

    We know that the nature of the papacy cannot really be changed but people meaning to deceive can make it seem so. We must put on the armor of God.