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  • http://www.lifesitenews.com/home/print_article/news/38189/

    VATICAN CITY, February 11, 2013, (LifeSiteNews.com) – ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Catholic groups hope after Pope Benedict XVI steps down, a new “progressive” Pope will champion LGBT issues, female ordination, and contraception at a Third Vatican Council.
    “The new Pope will have an opportunity like Pope John XXIII to open wide windows of the Church so that fresh ideas may fill the Church by calling for a new Ecuмenical Council of the Church, Vatican III,” said the Rainbow Sash Movement in a press release on Pope Benedict XVI's resignation.

    “The resignation of Pope Benedict XVI [is] an opportunity for the Church to finally to start addressing the many scandals that are facing it,” the dissenting organization said. “Those range from the clergy sɛҳuąƖ abuse scandal, birth control issues, women’s ordination, sɛҳuąƖity that deals with the human rights of LGBT People, and looming largely on the horizon are financial issues that involve a lack of ethics that would create a culture of transparency and accountability.”
    The group of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ and transgender Catholics stated the next pope should step away from an emphasis on “purity.” Instead, he must “continue the reforms of Vatican II” and “seriously embrace the road to Ecuмenicalism.” [sic]
    New York Times reporter and columnist Nicholas Kristof wrote that he would like to see the Catholic Church change its policy ”on contraception, on female and non-celibate priests, and on gαys...The church has such influence worldwide that it would be great to see a Vatican III!”
    The ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Catholic group Equally Blessed cited the Vatican's worldwide impact, claiming that by “promoting discrimination against LGBT people, the church inflicts pain on marginalized people, alienates the faithful, and lends moral credibility to reactionary political movements across the globe.”
    To right this wrong, DignityUSA called “on the Cardinals and the new Pope to enter into a true dialogue with our community. We call for an end to statements that inflict harm on already marginalized people, depict us as less than fully human, and lend credence to those seeking to justify discrimination.”
    The new pope, the group hopes, will “not only to embrace but...champion” the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ rights movement.
    “History reminds us that no one expected the election of Pope John XXIII in 1958, and in calling the Second Vatican Council, he clearly moved the church into a more progressive era,” wrote Francis DeBernardo of New Ways Ministry.
    The statements of Equally Blessed and DignityUSA were faithfully reported by the National Catholic Reporter. In its coverage of Pope Benedict's resignation Monday, Reuters news service also printed unattributed statements hoping the next pope would be “more progressive.”
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    The present pontiff's unwavering loyalty to the Magisterium's teaching on moral issues provoked a series of public clashes with liberal dissenters, as well as behind-the-scenes battles with European bishops, both as pope for eight years and previously as head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF).
    “For the last three decades, [Pope] Benedict has been one of the main architect’s of the Vatican’s policies against LGBT people,” wrote DeBernardo, who rehearsed his own organization's history of clashes with the pontiff.
    “New Ways Ministry directly experienced those harsh policies several times over the years, most notably in 1999 when the CDF attempted to silence our organization’s co-founders, Sister Jeannine Gramick and Father Robert Nugent,” he added. “Fortunately, we have survived the many attempts by the Vatican to end our ministry, and, thanks to the support of so many Catholics, we have emerged stronger for it.”
    As the head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger said the ministry's work was “doctrinally unacceptable” and enjoined them from further ministry or writing on ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity.
    Yet last Valentine’s Day, DeBernardo and Sr. Grammick penned an op-ed in The Washington Post entitled, “A Catholic Case for Same-Sex Marriage.”
    The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ activities constitute “grave depravity...Under no circuмstances can they be approved.”


    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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    « Reply #1 on: February 11, 2013, 11:25:44 PM »
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  • Vatican III? Oh man, II was bad enough!

    As Tele said in another thread, these people aren't Catholic.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    « Reply #2 on: February 12, 2013, 06:00:19 AM »
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  • If that happened (God forbid), do you think the Church in America would splinter off from the Roman Catholic Church?

    Offline Traditional Guy 20

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    « Reply #3 on: February 12, 2013, 06:19:25 AM »
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  • Yes indeed Vatican II was bad enough, and that was because the Church tried to go halfway with the ways of the world. That was Satanic enough. If the Church is talking about openly supporting ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ groups, then it is pure Satanism. By the way I laugh that these sodomites call themselves Catholic.

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    « Reply #4 on: February 12, 2013, 07:05:16 AM »
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  • This makes my stomach turn.   :barf:

    Such tense times. Trying not to worry about these things has proven to be very difficult for me. It's all I could think about yesterday: what if the next Pope is a flaming liberal? What if this starts a Catholic persecution? What if, what if, what if. Today I think I need to follow every what if with a Hail Mary.
    Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one's self unspotted from this world.
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    « Reply #5 on: February 12, 2013, 07:12:41 AM »
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  • And gαy "Catholics"?!!? Seriously. Those two words are like water and oil. They don't mix and never will.
    Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one's self unspotted from this world.
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    « Reply #6 on: February 12, 2013, 08:16:00 AM »
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    The new pope, the group hopes, will “not only to embrace but...champion” the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ rights movement.


     :faint:

    Guess they never heard of the 4 sins crying to heaven for vengeance!

    Marsha

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    « Reply #7 on: February 12, 2013, 08:17:00 AM »
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    If that happened (God forbid), do you think the Church in America would splinter off from the Roman Catholic Church?


    If what happened?  Vatican III?  A "gαy liturgy"?  The official acceptance of "gαy marriage"?

    Of course not.  The "church" in America would hungrily eat up all of these.  The "church" in America would be a leader at Vatican III.  

    The question should be:  How many traditional Catholics will continue to hold their heads in the sand and say, "Habemus Papam"?


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    « Reply #8 on: February 14, 2013, 11:41:06 AM »
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    If that happened (God forbid), do you think the Church in America would splinter off from the Roman Catholic Church?


    If what happened?  Vatican III?  A "gαy liturgy"?  The official acceptance of "gαy marriage"?

    Of course not.  The "church" in America would hungrily eat up all of these.  The "church" in America would be a leader at Vatican III.  

    The question should be:  How many traditional Catholics will continue to hold their heads in the sand and say, "Habemus Papam"?


    Agree.

    The conciliarists know this also and will probably elect someone with some stealth.

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    « Reply #9 on: February 14, 2013, 09:31:51 PM »
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    If that happened (God forbid), do you think the Church in America would splinter off from the Roman Catholic Church?


    I think it is much more likely that if there is ever a formal schism in the American Church it will be in a liberal direction.  If a Catholic bishop who was not clearly a nutjob ever tried to start a liberal American Catholic Church, he could gain a few million followers.  All who have tried it so far have been Old Catholics of lunatics like Archbishop Milingo.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir