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Offline FarmerWife

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Future of the SSPX
« on: May 08, 2025, 02:47:27 PM »
With the new Pope elected, what's is the future of the SSPX if this 'Pope' is just a carbon copy of Bergoglio? What if there is no reabsorption/reconcilliation of the Neo-SSPX and they end up not electing new bishops? And what happens if there is a merging of the neo-SSPX, they just become the Indult, right? And then a liberal Pope can just shut down TLMs again?

Offline Matthew

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Re: Future of the SSPX
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2025, 02:58:29 PM »
With the new Pope elected, what's is the future of the SSPX if this 'Pope' is just a carbon copy of Bergoglio? What if there is no reabsorption/reconcilliation of the Neo-SSPX and they end up not electing new bishops? And what happens if there is a merging of the neo-SSPX, they just become the Indult, right? And then a liberal Pope can just shut down TLMs again?

If the SSPX doesn't do a HARD U-turn back to the position and attitude of Archbishop Lefebvre (their founder), they are lost as an organization.
And such a conversion would take a miracle at this point. It's not just one or two men that have lost their way; it's 100% of the leadership and a good portion of the priests in the organization.
Furthermore, they even started forming new priests differently in 2004. So a much larger % of the younger priests are of the liberal orientation.

The takeaway? You need to support INDEPENDENT Traditional Catholic chapels, any chapel that operates according to the manner of the Traditional Movement from the very beginning in 1970. You need to prepare for the day when your SSPX chapel becomes hot garbage, useless as a "Traditional chapel". That day is closer than you think. You have a great SSPX priest at your chapel now? He isn't going to live forever. The priest in San Antonio for example is in his mid 70's. When he gets replaced, it's almost certain his replacement will be ordained after 2005, and thus he will be one of the "new crop" with the new, soft-on-Vatican II formation.

Go ahead and attend Mass where you must -- but don't be stupid about the future. Don't be all comfy and relaxed in a boat that is actively taking on water! You need to make preparations for what you will do WHEN that boat sinks.

What does it take for a chapel to be not garbage?

1. ALOOFNESS. No truck (commerce, dealings) with the Conciliar Church. Certainly no efforts to involve Novus priests, bishops, etc. in your ceremonies and parish life.
2. FIDELITY. Offer the Tridentine Mass and all other sacraments with no apologies. "Do Catholicism" like it's 1950.
3. VALIDITY. Traditional training for the priests, and ordained by a Traditional bishop ordained in the old Rite.
4. PRIORITY. God comes before Man. Don't worry about permission from the apostate material heretics in Rome. Traditional Catholics haven't, since the very beginning of the movement in the immediate aftermath of Vatican II.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Future of the SSPX
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2025, 03:11:46 PM »
We'll see.  Even though theologically he's a carbon-copy of Jorge, he could make various tactical maneuvers that would allow reabsorption of SSPX.

Re: Future of the SSPX
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2025, 03:20:17 PM »
My bet is that Fr. Pagliarani will be invited to Rome once the dust settles (he might take Bp. Fellay with him as his trusted consigliere, or even the "wiser" Fr. Schmidberger). Maybe next year. New concessions will be made, but the boys are not in a hurry. And the new bishops will be given to them.

Re: Future of the SSPX
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2025, 03:30:24 PM »
Why do so many traditionalists assume the Vatican's number one priority is the SSPX?  I seriously doubt Pope Leo XIV even knows much about the SSPX considering he spent so much time in Peru.  

The only reason Pope Francis bothered with the SSPX at the beginning of his pontificate is because Pope Benedict XVI was still alive and Benedict wanted them reconciled.  Benedict had a personal stake in the matter (not Francis) because he knew Archbishop Lefebvre and was part of those "negotiations" which blew up and Benedict always wanted to fix that.  

But, honestly, the SSPX is "yesterday's news."  They are not a priority, by any means.  Most bishops, cardinals couldn't care less about that SSPX nor do they even think about them.  They have bigger fish to fry.