Alexandria,   yes, Father Dominic told me, when I was in his parish, very gently that Sheen may not have been what so many think he was.  Please don't blame me, in 1950 I was only 10 years old.  What I am saying is I was disappointed when Father told me that.  

What I also said, was I have his talks and enjoy listening to them because he doesn't say the things on the tapes that he is accused of saying.  He is a very good speaker, in my opinion.   I hope in the end he saved his soul, but no one can judge if he did or did not.  It is possible just the same to hope he realized the error of his ways.  I mean my sins have been great too and no one deserves Hell more than I, but through God's grace I realized one day where I was heading.    

I used to attend Mass in NYC at the parish he died in - St. Agnes.  I was told that he realized toward the end of his life he had been duped.  Of course, by the late seventies, it was evident (for those with eyes to see) that no "new springtime" had occurred.

No, Myrna, I was not blaming you.    What I meant was that Catholics from immigrant families had been really assimilated into the American culture by the fifties and were all caught up in the American dream (whatever that was).     They had been treated so harshly and had been so marginalized that they were desperate to "fit in" no matter the cost.  Fulton Sheen helped them along.  It's as if he was saying by being a T.V. personality "See, we Catholic are just like you.  You have no reason to fear us taking over your country."

Did anyone think he might have been a victim of mind control? I mean, one of the people responsible for bringing Bella Dodd (who was an admitted communist agent) back to the Church was him.

How did this thread get dug up?  Oh well -

Ladislaus said:

Fatima most probably referred to the 1958 Conclave in which the Russians engineered the election of their agent Roncalli to the papacy.  Russia also slaughtered millions of Catholics around the world (in the Ukraine for instance).  It wasn't about the Cold War.  It's you who appear to have fallen victim to the mentality that the errors of Russia must refer to the Cold War.

You know, Ladislaus, you are losing credibility with me.  Roncalli was an agent of the RUSSIANS?  About as much as George Washington was.  Do you have any proof of this or is it more unsubstantiated material?  

Anyway, what are the Russians?  They were Orthodox Christians, for the most part.  What do Russians have to do with Western Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and its plots?  It was Bolshevik Jєωs, not Russians, who engineered the fall of their monarchy and the White Guard.  Lots of Russians were duped into going along with Jєωιѕн and Freemasonic plots, but so was almost the entire Western world.  So why blame the "Russians" like they are the spookiest of spooky bad guys?  America handed Catholic Poland over to the Russians, our ALLIES in World War II.  America and Russia are both evil empires, in different ways, and I refuse to believe that Mary is on the side of America any more than she is on the side of Russia.  She would be on the side of Catholic Austria or Poland or Spain.

Ladislaus said:

"Fatima most probably referred to the 1958 Conclave..."

"It wasn't about the Cold War.  It's you who appear to have fallen victim to the mentality that the errors of Russia must refer to the Cold War."

Ladislaus, when has anyone ever said that the "errors of Russia" that would be spread around the world had anything to do with the 1958 Conclave?  Almost everyone believes that "Mary" was referring to atheistic communism.  And this ties in with the Cold War.  The Cold War mentality was that the West were the good guys who had to fend off atheistic communism from the hordes of the East.  But the West were not the good guys.  That is why, rather than making Mary part of the Hegelian dialectic, I choose not to believe in Fatima.

I grant you, Fatima does not necessarily have anything to do with the Cold War.  It was those like Bishop Sheen who drew the tenuous connection between America, the Cold War and Fatima.  But that is the horror of Fatima, that it always leaves the door open for more error.  It is like a Trojan horse that doesn't die, a Trojan horse with other little Trojan horses inside of it -- like Russian dolls!  That is Fatima -- a Russian doll in the shape of a Trojan horse.

P.S. As I now realize, that Sheen video is most likely illegally posted.  Maybe it qualifies for fair use.

The cult of personality may be at fault here. Both Sheen and Lefebvre suffered from it. Extract any engaging idiosycracies and see what you have left that can guide future Catholics. "Don't send your children to Catholic schools" is a favourite one, as is "Rome hosts a new religion". But we have to ask ourselves whether these are mere slogans used when projecting personal political strategies and massive egos. There were certainly many contradictions to disappoint the eager fan.

In the fall when you see that the frost is going to come, you pick all of your tomatoes.  Some will be ripe and ready to eat, some in various stages of green and some totally green and not of full size.  

You can use the fully ripe ones right then and put the partially ripe ones in newspaper to finish ripening, but the immature and totally green ones you throw away.  Heaven, purgatory and hell.

Yes, lighthouse, those who do not produce good fruit shall be cut down and cast into the fire.  I just used tomatoes instead of trees.

In the fall when you see that the frost is going to come, you pick all of your tomatoes.  Some will be ripe and ready to eat, some in various stages of green and some totally green and not of full size.  

You can use the fully ripe ones right then and put the partially ripe ones in newspaper to finish ripening, but the immature and totally green ones you throw away.  Heaven, purgatory and hell.

I always thought you could make fried green tomatoes with those totally green ones. Analogies are always difficult.  :smile: