How did this thread get dug up? Oh well -
Ladislaus said:Fatima most probably referred to the 1958 Conclave in which the Russians engineered the election of their agent Roncalli to the papacy. Russia also slaughtered millions of Catholics around the world (in the Ukraine for instance). It wasn't about the Cold War. It's you who appear to have fallen victim to the mentality that the errors of Russia must refer to the Cold War.
You know, Ladislaus, you are losing credibility with me. Roncalli was an agent of the RUSSIANS? About as much as George Washington was. Do you have any proof of this or is it more unsubstantiated material?
Anyway, what are the Russians? They were Orthodox Christians, for the most part. What do Russians have to do with Western Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and its plots? It was Bolshevik Jєωs, not Russians, who engineered the fall of their monarchy and the White Guard. Lots of Russians were duped into going along with Jєωιѕн and Freemasonic plots, but so was almost the entire Western world. So why blame the "Russians" like they are the spookiest of spooky bad guys? America handed Catholic Poland over to the Russians, our ALLIES in World War II. America and Russia are both evil empires, in different ways, and I refuse to believe that Mary is on the side of America any more than she is on the side of Russia. She would be on the side of Catholic Austria or Poland or Spain.
Ladislaus said:"Fatima most probably referred to the 1958 Conclave..."
"It wasn't about the Cold War. It's you who appear to have fallen victim to the mentality that the errors of Russia must refer to the Cold War."
Ladislaus, when has anyone ever said that the "errors of Russia" that would be spread around the world had anything to do with the 1958 Conclave? Almost everyone believes that "Mary" was referring to atheistic communism. And this ties in with the Cold War. The Cold War mentality was that the West were the good guys who had to fend off atheistic communism from the hordes of the East. But the West were not the good guys. That is why, rather than making Mary part of the Hegelian dialectic, I choose not to believe in Fatima.
I grant you, Fatima does not necessarily have anything to do with the Cold War. It was those like Bishop Sheen who drew the tenuous connection between America, the Cold War and Fatima. But that is the horror of Fatima, that it always leaves the door open for more error. It is like a Trojan horse that doesn't die, a Trojan horse with other little Trojan horses inside of it -- like Russian dolls! That is Fatima -- a Russian doll in the shape of a Trojan horse.
P.S. As I now realize, that Sheen video is most likely illegally posted. Maybe it qualifies for fair use.