Author Topic: Fulton Sheen video praising John XXIII, Vat II. (Read 6285 times)

Raoul76 · « **on:** October 29, 2009, 09:46:28 PM »

Belloc, you brought up that CM was skeptical of Fatima in another thread... That is worth discussing. There are lots of Americans out there with a cold war mentality who are all about "converting Russia," blind to the Bolshevik Jєωs that run their own country. You might call these people the Fultonians because they seem to have taken their marching orders from Fulton Sheen, even though Bishop Sheen is on record saying things like this about John XXIII:

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"He opened the doors to the Church and brought the Church out into the world... Brought the world into himself, with those great big arms of his, that were almost like those great columns of Bernini, except that they were flesh, and he could in a certain sense embrace all humanity... And this was the man who made men love one another -- that was his contemplata. He first came. Come, come to me all ye who labor and are burdened. He did, he came and he went. Because he had an idea, not just an action that turned into busybodism, as it always does when one lacks the master image. This spirit is magnificent, but who are most responsible for these ideas? Who? Secular-minded men? I will not give you the three names at once. First one is John XXIII. Who did more for our love of humanity today than this man? Who? Auguste Comte with his supposed love of humanity never wrote a line comparable to John's love of the poor. He opened the council, brought the world into it, Protestants, Orthodox, Buddhists, Hindus, communists, everyone was welcome..."

During the latter portion of this weird, psychedelic speech, there is a caption underneath him that says "Humanity -- Science -- World Involvement." Creepy.

Well, here he is showing he's part of the plot. Surprise surprise. Raoul76's paranoia proves right on target yet again. It's a sad statement about our times that the farther you can can go into extreme paranoia, the closer you will be to the truth. But it's simple common sense that you don't get on TV without being vetted by the Jєωs first.

Classiccom · « **Reply #1 on:** October 30, 2009, 12:24:44 AM »

Fatima was a diversion from the True Faith. The Infallibles bought it hook line and sinker. We had a great orator, Fr. Coughlin who correctly warned the public about two demons , Hitler and Stalin. Pope Pius XII used his influence to take Coughlin out of action. Talking about the Vatican killing spirit, Coughlin had a Catholic revival speaking to the largest radio audience ever! & from Detroit no less. Look at Detroit now. See the pattern : no good deed goes unpunished, especially from the Vatican.

It is a shame Bishop Sheen went down the tubes. He had a powerful impact in the 50's. Supporting the party line is dangerous to the soul. One of my favorite Sheen lines is that it takes live bodies to swim against the current. Dead bodies float out to sea. How many live bodies do we have today? I know I sound like a broken record, but 139 years of pollution has killed off any real resistance.

To sum up on a good note, I heard a Catholic Radio program today that had a few good people fighting the abortion scene. This guys on the radio said that he thinks the only real bishops are the ones you see protesting at the abortion mills. So in spite of all this Fatima, and Novus Ordo pollution, a handful of noble souls survive to meet the challenges of today.

Belloc · « **Reply #2 on:** October 30, 2009, 07:34:25 AM »

and earlier today, I asekd in another thread who would Raoul calumate against today....guess we ahve our answer, eh...

Now we will see his insane little brain draw the following conlcusions:

1.Sheen somehow was a Jєω
2. an unconverted Jєω
3. Sheen secretly was a freemason
4. Sheen was into the occult
5. Sheen hates Catholics
6.Sheen will not just say "thats what it means, thats what it says" to any docuмent of the Church, much like a Prot does the bible (this is an ongoing favorite of Raoul and his mentot, CM-both functional Prots delusionally thinking they are Catholics)

ready boys and girls??

:cheers:

Belloc · « **Reply #3 on:** October 30, 2009, 07:37:00 AM »

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Belloc, you brought up that CM was skeptical of Fatima in another thread... That is worth discussing. There are lots of Americans out there with a cold war mentality who are all about "converting Russia," blind to the Bolshevik Jєωs that run their own country.

Terrible is USA is, Our Lady was calling for Russia to be converted, not USA, nαzι Germany, Timbaktu.....Russia, thats what she said.period. Cold war started roughyl in 1945, Fatima 1917....math does not add up, raoul....no take your meds...and do some research before your disgusting calumny against Sheen.....would ask you to repent, but hell, we know you do not recognize any priestly authority...functional Prot.....

Belloc · « **Reply #4 on:** October 30, 2009, 07:39:04 AM »

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Fatima was a diversion from the True Faith. The Infallibles bought it hook line and sinker. We had a great orator, Fr. Coughlin who correctly warned the public about two demons , Hitler and Stalin. Pope Pius XII used his influence to take Coughlin out of action. Talking about the Vatican killing spirit, Coughlin had a Catholic revival speaking to the largest radio audience ever! & from Detroit no less. Look at Detroit now. See the pattern : no good deed goes unpunished, especially from the Vatican.

It is a shame Bishop Sheen went down the tubes. He had a powerful impact in the 50's. Supporting the party line is dangerous to the soul. One of my favorite Sheen lines is that it takes live bodies to swim against the current. Dead bodies float out to sea. How many live bodies do we have today? I know I sound like a broken record, but 139 years of pollution has killed off any real resistance.

To sum up on a good note, I heard a Catholic Radio program today that had a few good people fighting the abortion scene. This guys on the radio said that he thinks the only real bishops are the ones you see protesting at the abortion mills. So in spite of all this Fatima, and Novus Ordo pollution, a handful of noble souls survive to meet the challenges of today.

For all the right things Coughlin said, he also said the New Deal (note, socialism) was Christ's deal and said Christ was working through Roosevelt ( a Prot and Freemason).....he flipped and flopped liek Raoul..Coughlin, some good, some bad...may he rest in peace

Belloc · « **Reply #5 on:** October 30, 2009, 07:42:31 AM »

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Belloc, you brought up that CM was skeptical of Fatima in another thread... That is worth discussing. There are lots of Americans out there with a cold war mentality who are all about "converting Russia," blind to the Bolshevik Jєωs that run their own country. You might call these people the Fultonians because they seem to have taken their marching orders from Fulton Sheen, even though Bishop Sheen is on record saying things like this about John XXIII:

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"He opened the doors to the Church and brought the Church out into the world... Brought the world into himself, with those great big arms of his, that were almost like those great columns of Bernini, except that they were flesh, and he could in a certain sense embrace all humanity... And this was the man who made men love one another -- that was his contemplata. He first came. Come, come to me all ye who labor and are burdened. He did, he came and he went. Because he had an idea, not just an action that turned into busybodism, as it always does when one lacks the master image. This spirit is magnificent, but who are most responsible for these ideas? Who? Secular-minded men? I will not give you the three names at once. First one is John XXIII. Who did more for our love of humanity today than this man? Who? Auguste Comte with his supposed love of humanity never wrote a line comparable to John's love of the poor. He opened the council, brought the world into it, Protestants, Orthodox, Buddhists, Hindus, communists, everyone was welcome..."

During the latter portion of this weird, psychedelic speech, there is a caption underneath him that says "Humanity -- Science -- World Involvement." Creepy.

Well, here he is showing he's part of the plot. Surprise surprise. Raoul76's paranoia proves right on target yet again. It's a sad statement about our times that the farther you can can go into extreme paranoia, the closer you will be to the truth. But it's simple common sense that you don't get on TV without being vetted by the Jєωs first.

Sorry, cannot view youtube at work and I do not want to have to deal with you and CM on the weekends at home, so I rarely will disturb myself on weekends going to CI (no insult meant to Chant,GV, etc).

but, given your unstable mental state and "reasoning" likely the video, for you, wil lcontain things not seen by most anyone else in the world and laregly, probably blown out of proportion......

and yes, some things do get past the "vetting Jєωs", especially as fatima is largely pushed by Church and people therin..media loves Medjegore,etc(false apparitions).......

Sorry, Raoul you cannot beleive as a Catholic does......then again, me thinks you really are not one.....FP(Functional Prot)

Belloc · « **Reply #6 on:** October 30, 2009, 07:43:56 AM »

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Belloc, you brought up that CM was skeptical of Fatima in another thread... That is worth discussing. There are lots of Americans out there with a cold war mentality who are all about "converting Russia," blind to the Bolshevik Jєωs that run their own country. You might call these people the Fultonians because they seem to have taken their marching orders from Fulton Sheen, even though Bishop Sheen is on record saying things like this about John XXIII:

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"He opened the doors to the Church and brought the Church out into the world... Brought the world into himself, with those great big arms of his, that were almost like those great columns of Bernini, except that they were flesh, and he could in a certain sense embrace all humanity... And this was the man who made men love one another -- that was his contemplata. He first came. Come, come to me all ye who labor and are burdened. He did, he came and he went. Because he had an idea, not just an action that turned into busybodism, as it always does when one lacks the master image. This spirit is magnificent, but who are most responsible for these ideas? Who? Secular-minded men? I will not give you the three names at once. First one is John XXIII. Who did more for our love of humanity today than this man? Who? Auguste Comte with his supposed love of humanity never wrote a line comparable to John's love of the poor. He opened the council, brought the world into it, Protestants, Orthodox, Buddhists, Hindus, communists, everyone was welcome..."

During the latter portion of this weird, psychedelic speech, there is a caption underneath him that says "Humanity -- Science -- World Involvement." Creepy.

Well, here he is showing he's part of the plot. Surprise surprise. Raoul76's paranoia proves right on target yet again. It's a sad statement about our times that the farther you can can go into extreme paranoia, the closer you will be to the truth. But it's simple common sense that you don't get on TV without being vetted by the Jєωs first.

Sheen was a young seminarian when Fatima happened.....no influence for yrs on public......yet, oddly, millions of Catholics beleived in Fatima nonethe less...hmm, maybe he slipped into parallel universe or something,,,,yeah thats right, aint it Raoul.....FP!

Belloc · « **Reply #7 on:** October 30, 2009, 07:46:53 AM »

Sheen was not perfect, that was only Christ, you and CM.....being wrong on something does not mean one is evil, damned, a Jєω, a plotter,etc.......a little discernment, please.....

Sad, calumny.......

Belloc · « **Reply #8 on:** October 30, 2009, 07:51:31 AM »

raoul, you or someone like you here mentioend Bella Dodd wometime ago.....well, do you know who converted Dood the the Faith?????

yes, Bishop Sheen......and he brought many more into the Fold too......hmm.......

Raoul76 · « **Reply #9 on:** October 30, 2009, 04:39:30 PM »

I do have my doubts about Fatima, Classiccom. I've also heard that about Pius XII and Coughlin -- very, very interesting.

The Cold War may have officially begun much later but 1917 was the year of the Russian Revolution which supposedly was against Western values. It was also very near to the time of the destruction of the last Catholic monarchy, the Austro-Hungarian empire, in World War I.

The error of ʝʊdɛօ-Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ had spread around the world long before the rise of the Bolsheviks in Russia. Russia was an overt form of communism -- almost a straw man, in the way the nαzιs were a straw man. An obvious evil that helped people to overlook the evil right in their own backyards.

This idea that Russia must be converted had the effect of putting Americans into a mindset where they represented the "free world" while Russia was enslaved by communism, yet our own country was founded by Freemasons, separated Church and state, etc. I still see American Catholics today who think like this; that we are the land of the free while Russia is a tyrannical state.

I don't want to insult Mary if it is a true prophecy, but I don't want to insult her by saying that she was the author of confusion either. Not to mention that it doesn't make sense that she would tell Lucy to wait until 1960 to reveal the Third Secret, unless we are to say that she somehow didn't know it would be suppressed ( yet Mary knows all ). And did Portugal keep the faith?

As for Bella Dodd, only God knows what was in her heart or if she really converted. Her conversion was in 1952 right when I say Pius XII lost the papacy... Hmm. Once a communist, always a communist? Did she simply join the Church once it had stopped being the Church, her Great Work having been accomplished?

Freemasons and communists often play that card, they say they have converted or seen the error of their ways. This actually makes them seem more trustworthy than many who were never communists -- you think, "Oh, well if they will admit to once being a communist, they must really be repentant." Not necessarily.

JPII was often praised as a great foe of communists, which I'm sure those behind the Iron Curtain found amusing, since he had free movement all over the world while real Catholics were kept under lock and key.

Don't you understand that in the Hegelian synthesis communism is hidden under names like democracy or even Catholicism? What do you think NFP is? Do you think communism is an economic system? No, it is a MINDSET and rationalism and birth control and ecuмenism are all part of it.
Pius XII had elements of communism in his writings, and after him it was full-blown in Vatican II.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 30, 2009, 04:48:39 PM »

People need to stop following personalities and start following doctrine and logic and truth.

We all want heroes, we all want someone to follow and to trust. Humans have a great need of that or otherwise we feel abandoned. Unfortunately, the devil knows this weakness and uses it against us. Whether it's Abp. Lefebvre or Bishop Fulton Sheen giving us comforting fireside chats, they win your trust, and then people let their guard down. That is the mistake. They follow them into apostasy, heresy, blasphemy.

This is just the old gradualism and it is shown in the programs of Bishop Sheen. He starts out decrying communism like a Jeremiah ( while never explaining how it operates in this country, of course ) and then before you know it, a decade later, he is praising John XXIII for letting communists into the Church.

Don't forget what Christ said: TEST THE SPIRITS. Test them every second. Otherwise you are in danger of being an idolater, following the "stars" of Catholicism as blindly as some Midwestern teen follows Johnny Depp or what have you.

Teresa · « **Reply #11 on:** October 30, 2009, 05:23:47 PM »

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People need to stop following personalities and start following doctrine and logic and truth.

Unfortunately, various people die defending the truth as they see it, and they have the "logic" and "doctrine" to back it up.

Teresa

Classiccom · « **Reply #12 on:** October 30, 2009, 05:39:48 PM »

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"I don't want to insult Mary if it is a true prophecy, but I don't want to insult her by saying that she was the author of confusion either."

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I'm sure I have been overly harsh speaking about Mary. My apologies. But if there is a Mary that leads you to Jesus, it is a safe bet there are many counterfeit Marys that leads you to the Devil. I met the latter at Bayside NY. That Mary was a big traditionalist who loved JPII & the ecu tango with the Moslems etc.

Teresa · « **Reply #13 on:** October 30, 2009, 05:54:59 PM »

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But it's simple common sense that you don't get on TV without being vetted by the Jєωs first.

Like wow...... :shocked:

Teresa

JustCatholic · « **Reply #14 on:** November 04, 2009, 02:45:59 PM »

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It is a shame Bishop Sheen went down the tubes. He had a powerful impact in the 50's. Supporting the party line is dangerous to the soul.

Even Sedevacantist Fr. Noel Barbara considered John XXIII a true Pope and wrote his reasons in careful analysis. Sheen to my knowledge was not addressing what he did not like about Vatican II, nor addressing what unfolded in the post-conciliar. He spoke piously of some lovable personality traits of a Pope. Nor is it absolutely clear that what Paul VI finally midwifed is what John would have wanted, is it?