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Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2010, 12:01:52 PM »
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    There are lots of Americans out there with a cold war mentality who are all about "converting Russia," blind to the Bolshevik Jews that run their own country.


    Fatima most probably referred to the 1958 Conclave in which the Russians engineered the election of their agent Roncalli to the papacy.  Russia also slaughtered millions of Catholics around the world (in the Ukraine for instance).  It wasn't about the Cold War.  It's you who appear to have fallen victim to the mentality that the errors of Russia must refer to the Cold War.


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    « Reply #31 on: July 10, 2010, 12:53:50 PM »
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  • I dislike Fulton Sheen too.   I'm sorry to say this, but if Catholics weren't so stupid in the fifties maybe we wouldn't be in this mess today.  They went haywire after WWII and haven't been the same since.

    In the nineties I read a book about him (come to think of it, Myrna, I got it from your library) and was shocked to read how bad he was after VII.  He was a real fan of Teilhard de Chardin and went along with everything.  

    The neo-cons loves him.


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    « Reply #32 on: July 10, 2010, 01:05:36 PM »
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  • Alexandria,   yes, Father Dominic told me, when I was in his parish, very gently that Sheen may not have been what so many think he was.  Please don't blame me, in 1950 I was only 10 years old.  What I am saying is I was disappointed when Father told me that.  

    What I also said, was I have his talks and enjoy listening to them because he doesn't say the things on the tapes that he is accused of saying.  He is a very good speaker, in my opinion.   I hope in the end he saved his soul, but no one can judge if he did or did not.  It is possible just the same to hope he realized the error of his ways.  I mean my sins have been great too and no one deserves Hell more than I, but through God's grace I realized one day where I was heading.    


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    « Reply #33 on: July 10, 2010, 01:13:29 PM »
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  • If one leads others astray by false teachings, we can hope they avoided hell by some sort of last minute mea culpa. However, purgatory for someone leading others astray would last as long as people are listening to those falsehoods and being lead astray even today.

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    « Reply #34 on: July 10, 2010, 01:30:01 PM »
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  • I used to attend Mass in NYC at the parish he died in - St. Agnes.  I was told that he realized toward the end of his life he had been duped.  Of course, by the late seventies, it was evident (for those with eyes to see) that no "new springtime" had occurred.

    No, Myrna, I was not blaming you.    What I meant was that Catholics from immigrant families had been really assimilated into the American culture by the fifties and were all caught up in the American dream (whatever that was).     They had been treated so harshly and had been so marginalized that they were desperate to "fit in" no matter the cost.  Fulton Sheen helped them along.  It's as if he was saying by being a T.V. personality "See, we Catholic are just like you.  You have no reason to fear us taking over your country."


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    « Reply #35 on: July 10, 2010, 01:31:18 PM »
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    I used to attend Mass in NYC at the parish he died in - St. Agnes.  I was told that he realized toward the end of his life he had been duped.  Of course, by the late seventies, it was evident (for those with eyes to see) that no "new springtime" had occurred.

    No, Myrna, I was not blaming you.    What I meant was that Catholics from immigrant families had been really assimilated into the American culture by the fifties and were all caught up in the American dream (whatever that was).     They had been treated so harshly and had been so marginalized that they were desperate to "fit in" no matter the cost.  Fulton Sheen helped them along.  It's as if he was saying by being a T.V. personality "See, we Catholic are just like you.  You have no reason to fear us taking over your country."
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    « Reply #36 on: July 10, 2010, 08:49:37 PM »
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  • Did anyone think he might have been a victim of mind control? I mean, one of the people responsible for bringing Bella Dodd (who was an admitted communist agent) back to the Church was him.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    « Reply #37 on: July 10, 2010, 09:04:59 PM »
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  • Well I like to give him the benefit of doubt, either way he is in God's mercyful but just hands, as we all will be someday.  


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    « Reply #38 on: July 10, 2010, 10:56:24 PM »
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  • How did this thread get dug up?  Oh well -

    Ladislaus said:
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    Fatima most probably referred to the 1958 Conclave in which the Russians engineered the election of their agent Roncalli to the papacy.  Russia also slaughtered millions of Catholics around the world (in the Ukraine for instance).  It wasn't about the Cold War.  It's you who appear to have fallen victim to the mentality that the errors of Russia must refer to the Cold War.


    You know, Ladislaus, you are losing credibility with me.  Roncalli was an agent of the RUSSIANS?  About as much as George Washington was.  Do you have any proof of this or is it more unsubstantiated material?  

    Anyway, what are the Russians?  They were Orthodox Christians, for the most part.  What do Russians have to do with Western Freemasonry and its plots?  It was Bolshevik Jews, not Russians, who engineered the fall of their monarchy and the White Guard.  Lots of Russians were duped into going along with Jewish and Freemasonic plots, but so was almost the entire Western world.  So why blame the "Russians" like they are the spookiest of spooky bad guys?  America handed Catholic Poland over to the Russians, our ALLIES in World War II.  America and Russia are both evil empires, in different ways, and I refuse to believe that Mary is on the side of America any more than she is on the side of Russia.  She would be on the side of Catholic Austria or Poland or Spain.

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    "Fatima most probably referred to the 1958 Conclave..."

    "It wasn't about the Cold War.  It's you who appear to have fallen victim to the mentality that the errors of Russia must refer to the Cold War."


    Ladislaus, when has anyone ever said that the "errors of Russia" that would be spread around the world had anything to do with the 1958 Conclave?  Almost everyone believes that "Mary" was referring to atheistic communism.  And this ties in with the Cold War.  The Cold War mentality was that the West were the good guys who had to fend off atheistic communism from the hordes of the East.  But the West were not the good guys.  That is why, rather than making Mary part of the Hegelian dialectic, I choose not to believe in Fatima.

    I grant you, Fatima does not necessarily have anything to do with the Cold War.  It was those like Bishop Sheen who drew the tenuous connection between America, the Cold War and Fatima.  But that is the horror of Fatima, that it always leaves the door open for more error.  It is like a Trojan horse that doesn't die, a Trojan horse with other little Trojan horses inside of it -- like Russian dolls!  That is Fatima -- a Russian doll in the shape of a Trojan horse.

    P.S. As I now realize, that Sheen video is most likely illegally posted.  Maybe it qualifies for fair use.
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    « Reply #39 on: July 10, 2010, 11:08:04 PM »
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  • Alexandria said:
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    I was told that he realized toward the end of his life he had been duped.


    Another deathbed Eureka moment like Washington or Napoleon or John Wayne, huh?  This is starting to become a pattern... I guess no one is really ensnared by the devil, they all turn around at the last moment.  I am hopeful, but skeptical.

    Did he also realize towards the end of his life that he was wrong to have sung the praises of TEILHARD DE CHARDIN?

    Innocenza is dead-on.  Bp. Sheen was a ham.  I was embarrassed for him when I watched him, his speech and behavior was so overripe.  I know we can't judge by appearances, but he was also a dead ringer for Bela Lugosi, the original Dracula, and those vampire connotations are not pleasant, considering he spread his errors into every Catholic home that had a TV. You don't get on Jewish national TV if you are telling the full Catholic truth.  

    That doesn't mean Bp. Sheen was a deliberate deceiver.  He may have simply been a perfect dupe.  So it is possible he later came to his senses.  But the Bishop Sheen fallout is all too clear to see -- blind patriotism, ecumenism, a worldly and self-regarding attitude.  There is something just flat-out wrong about a bishop on TV, and I think this is why people today don't even see any contradiction between Mel Gibson's life and his Catholicism.  This is something that really frustrates me, how someone can come out and say "I'm Catholic," do the opposite of Catholicism, and then win the total trust of people.  Don't people know being a MOVIE STAR, the height of vanity, is the complete opposite of Catholic behavior?  I think Bishop Sheen being on TV helped make this kind of thing seem acceptable -- mass-market religion.

    As I was a new convert when posting here, my posts are often full of error, even unwitting heresy and rash judgment, all of which I renounce, and all my writings are best avoided -- MDLS

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    « Reply #40 on: July 11, 2010, 06:16:08 AM »
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  • The cult of personality may be at fault here. Both Sheen and Lefebvre suffered from it. Extract any engaging idiosycracies and see what you have left that can guide future Catholics. "Don't send your children to Catholic schools" is a favourite one, as is "Rome hosts a new religion". But we have to ask ourselves whether these are mere slogans used when projecting personal political strategies and massive egos. There were certainly many contradictions to disappoint the eager fan.


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    « Reply #41 on: July 11, 2010, 03:30:46 PM »
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  • Quote from: Dawn
    If one leads others astray by false teachings, we can hope they avoided hell by some sort of last minute mea culpa. However, purgatory for someone leading others astray would last as long as people are listening to those falsehoods and being lead astray even today.


    I never heard that teaching of the Church, that if someone is in Purgatory their stay is continually extended longer if someone on earth continues to read or heed their writings.  Are you sure about this?  You might ask your priest, I will ask mine also.  

    That does not make sense to me, as I thought when we died our time was over,  and our will was fixed forever, Heven, Hell or Purgatory.


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    « Reply #42 on: July 11, 2010, 04:09:27 PM »
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  • In the fall when you see that the frost is going to come, you pick all of your tomatoes.  Some will be ripe and ready to eat, some in various stages of green and some totally green and not of full size.  

    You can use the fully ripe ones right then and put the partially ripe ones in newspaper to finish ripening, but the immature and totally green ones you throw away.  Heaven, purgatory and hell.
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    « Reply #43 on: July 11, 2010, 04:56:21 PM »
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  • Myrna:
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    ...I never heard that teaching of the Church, that if someone is in Purgatory their stay is continually extended longer if someone on earth continues to read or heed their writings.


    Nor have I.  I would think that it would be a violation of Church teaching that God sees all and knows all.  He would already be aware of the final tally of the damage at the time of His judgment.  From that point, one is at the mercy of the Communion of Saints to gain some shortening (whatever that would mean in eternity).

    I'm also a little uncomfortable with:

    Trinity saying:

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    Some will be ripe and ready to eat, some in various stages of green and some totally green and not of full size.


    A judgment that directs a sinner to purgatory would also guarantee a release to heaven.  Such a person must already have fulfilled the requirements for Heaven, but still owes some punishment  to be served for transgressions.  Thus a soul would not be so much imperfect but rather "still owing".  I'm not sure anyone can gain in spiritual wisdom in Purgatory, or grow to reach some qualification that was not already achieved.  It is just "time served" that has not been reduced by some other amelioration prior to death.

    If someone has a further explanation from an approved and orthodox source, I'd be happy to read it.

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    « Reply #44 on: July 11, 2010, 05:04:11 PM »
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  • Yes, lighthouse, those who do not produce good fruit shall be cut down and cast into the fire.  I just used tomatoes instead of trees.
    +RIP
    Please pray for the repose of her soul.


     

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