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Offline Angelus

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FSSPX prepares for the consecration of new bishops
« on: December 26, 2023, 03:41:45 PM »
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    FSSPX prepares for the consecration of new bishops


    The bulletin of the FSSPX-Priorate "Notre-Dame-Du-Pointet" in Broût-Vernet, France, published on 24 December, reports that "the Superior General has asked us to prepare the faithful for the consecration of new bishops, without specifying a date".

    Abbé Alain Delagneau explains that "our prelates are getting older and their ministry in the world is increasing".

    He writes that this serious matter "could disturb some of the faithful, especially young people, who are not sufficiently interested in the crisis in the Church".

    "We must expect to be treated as excommunicated by the [ecclesiastical] authorities," he warns, calling it "painful and disturbing for a Catholic".

    Abbé Delagneau expects that the media of the oligarchs will [happily] pass on these condemnations, "but so will the Fraternity of St Peter and company."

    Offline 2Vermont

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    Re: FSSPX prepares for the consecration of new bishops
    « Reply #1 on: December 26, 2023, 03:52:15 PM »
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  • Wasn't there talk of this back in June (which never came to pass)?


    Offline Emile

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    Re: FSSPX prepares for the consecration of new bishops
    « Reply #2 on: December 26, 2023, 04:02:18 PM »
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  • Wonder if they're so far gone that they'll use Huonder as sole-consecrator? :popcorn:

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    Re: FSSPX prepares for the consecration of new bishops
    « Reply #3 on: December 26, 2023, 04:13:20 PM »
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  • He writes that this serious matter "could disturb some of the faithful, especially young people, who are not sufficiently interested in the crisis in the Church".

    "We must expect to be treated as excommunicated by the [ecclesiastical] authorities," he warns, calling it "painful and disturbing for a Catholic".
    Doesn’t make much sense considering the fact that they have Hounder. Will he leave the SSPX? Will he be conditionally consecrated? 

    everything the SSPX has done as of late seemed contrary to this being a reality. they took Hounder to be closer in a sense to the authorities, now they are distancing themselves?

    the second bold quote seems just like the theories that JP1 was a “trad” who was going to “free the church”, and also like the bennevacantists who view Benedict XVI as a valid Catholic in dogma…
    Pope St. Pius X pray for us

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    Re: FSSPX prepares for the consecration of new bishops
    « Reply #4 on: December 26, 2023, 04:32:20 PM »
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  • A bunch of nonsense.

    These days we had the feast of a glorious Apostle, St. Thomas. I will believe it when I see it, he said. This saying is appropriate here.


    Offline Angelus

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    Re: FSSPX prepares for the consecration of new bishops
    « Reply #5 on: December 26, 2023, 04:35:25 PM »
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  • "...prepare the faithful for the consecration of new bishops, without specifying a date."


    Why announce this? What is the purpose of such "preparation?" Why do they highlight the fact that they are not "specifying a date?" 

    A real announcement by real men would state exactly what they planned to do and when. No announcement or "preparation" would be necessary. This is a manipulation targeted at weak minds.

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    Re: FSSPX prepares for the consecration of new bishops
    « Reply #6 on: December 26, 2023, 04:46:05 PM »
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  • The SSPX continues to gaslight the faithful. They become more and more like Rome every day.

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    Re: FSSPX prepares for the consecration of new bishops
    « Reply #7 on: December 26, 2023, 06:04:08 PM »
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  • Wonder if they're so far gone that they'll use Huonder as sole-consecrator? :popcorn:
    There would be no reason to do that.  While consecrations by a single bishop are valid, ceteris paribus, the normal procedure is to have three bishops.  I've always assumed that was done just to cover all the bases, on the off chance that one of the bishops might not have been validly consecrated.


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    Re: FSSPX prepares for the consecration of new bishops
    « Reply #8 on: December 26, 2023, 06:35:30 PM »
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  • ... "the Superior General has asked us to prepare the faithful for the consecration of new bishops ...".

    Identical language to the last false rumor.

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    Re: FSSPX prepares for the consecration of new bishops
    « Reply #9 on: December 26, 2023, 06:36:39 PM »
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  • "We must expect to be treated as excommunicated by the [ecclesiastical] authorities," he warns, calling it "painful and disturbing for a Catholic".

    Ridiculous.  This actually seems like an attempt to troll Resistance types.  I'm sure they would line up some arrangement with Bergoglio to get it done without any "excommunication" involved, where Huonder would be the consecrator with some other Conciliars as the co-consecrators.

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    Re: FSSPX prepares for the consecration of new bishops
    « Reply #10 on: December 26, 2023, 07:27:18 PM »
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  • Other than Huonder doing the oils for SSPX in Germany, I never really put much thought into this. I think there was even talk recently that he had consecrated a church of something. There were those videos he came out with where I felt like he had came to an SSPX conclusion. Maybe he had a Vigano style doing of the “necessary” what ever that means currently in R and R circles. This SSPX event could remind me very much of Cardinal Hoyos in Campos. 
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    Re: FSSPX prepares for the consecration of new bishops
    « Reply #11 on: December 26, 2023, 11:16:08 PM »
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  • I take the following as an SSPX Public Relations dramatization, to portray themselves as being persecuted by Bergolio.
    Of course, they real question at hand is if Bergolio will select the new bishops?


    He writes that this serious matter "could disturb some of the faithful, especially young people, who are not sufficiently interested in the crisis in the Church".

    "We must expect to be treated as excommunicated by the [ecclesiastical] authorities," he warns, calling it "painful and disturbing for a Catholic".
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: FSSPX prepares for the consecration of new bishops
    « Reply #12 on: December 27, 2023, 07:37:46 AM »
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  • If the SSPX ever consecrates more bishops +ABL style, without Papal mandate, they will be the WORLD'S WORST hypocrites. Up there with jet-setting across the world in a private plane to an Environmental conference where they talk about Zero Carbon and so forth. Or hosting a weight loss seminar at an All You Can Eat buffet. Complete hypocrisy.

    They came out against the consecration of the first Resistance bishop, +Faure, and possibly the others as well.

    You can't be AGAINST some "consecrations for the sake of Tradition, without papal mandate" but be FOR other "consecrations for the sake of Tradition, without papal mandate". And no, just because one set of bishops represents a group worth billions of dollars does NOT make it different. At all.

    And no, there's no "first dibs", "winner take all", or "King of the Hill" when it comes to State of Necessity justification for consecrating a bishop without papal mandate. If it's OK for ONE to do it, it's OK for ALL to do it.

    Consecrating a bishop without papal mandate, because of the Crisis in the Church is fundamentally the same whoever is doing it. Even bishops with almost no fame or followers, like Bp. Slupski (RIP) -- if they consecrate a bishop because they want to make sure Tradition continues, it's the EXACT SAME THING as +ABL doing it for his large organization (SSPX) to great media controversy and fame/infamy.

    Accidentals like "how many Faithful does he serve", "how rich is he", "how famous is he", "can he grow a beard", and "how tall is he" make NO difference at all to the fundamental reality of the situation.
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    Re: FSSPX prepares for the consecration of new bishops
    « Reply #13 on: December 27, 2023, 09:08:32 AM »
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  • If the SSPX ever consecrates more bishops +ABL style, without Papal mandate, they will be the WORLD'S WORST hypocrites.

    They won't.  This message is, as Incredulous pointed out, just an attempt to create a perception that they are still at odds with Bergoglio and will (possibly) be persecuted.  It's to keep those among the SSPX faithful who may be starting to question whether or not the SSPX is still Traditional confused and thinking that there's some great tension between SSPX and Bergoglio.  That's their target audience for this rumor.  They want to keep as many of the sheep as possible corralled within the SSPX for when they make the final cutover, so as to bring as many as possible en masse back into the Conciliar Church.  If they didn't play this game of gradualism, they risked having a large percentage of their faithful move to Resistance or Sedevacantism, which would defeat the purpose of this entire operation.  They're taking the "boil the frog" approach to cook their faithful into the Conciliar stew, and this is an attempt to prevent some of those who are beginning to notice from (thinking about) jumping out of the pot.  Fernandez admitted that Bergoglio deliberately uses the "boil the frog" method to make his changes permanent, and we see the same strategy here.  Bring in Huonder first.  Then let him consecrate some oils and a church.  Next Huonder might confer some Minor Orders.  Have the faithful get their marriages witnessed by a Conciliar priest.  Have some confirmations done in NO churches under the pretext of not having enough room.  Don't criticize Jorge except for the bare minimum that's required to keep up appearances of still being Traditional.  They had to say SOMEthing (even if it was a mealy-mouthed weak statement) about the blessing of sodomites or no one would buy that they're still Traditional.  Promote Modernist trash like Fr. Paul Robinson's "The Modernist Guide to Religion and Science".  Shuffle the Trad-minded priests who remain to positions of insignificance and little influence, especially removing them from seminary.  Loosen up on enforcing Traditional dress codes.  Little by little, the SSPX faithful are being "boiled".

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    Re: FSSPX prepares for the consecration of new bishops
    « Reply #14 on: December 27, 2023, 09:18:21 AM »
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  • Here's all you need to know.  Huonder has said things more critical of the Conciliar religion than Strickland ever did, but while the latter has been removed, Huonder not only remains in "good standing" with Jorge, but is even there with Jorge's blessing and permission.  Jorge is a sworn enemy of Traditional Catholicism, so why did he give Huonder permission to become associated with SSPX?  There can be only one answer.  Huonder is an agent and part of the transition plan.  Why, for that matter, is Jorge making concessions to SSPX (jurisdiction for Confessions, arrangements for marriages, etc.) while ruthlessly suppressing the Motu Tridentine Masses?  There's only one way to view this consistently, that it's part of a plan to absorb the SSPX Trads back into the Conciliar church, whereas the Motu Masses were actually serving as a "gateway drug" and leading more Catholics out of the Conciliar church than they were keeping them there.  Jorge admitted as much in Traditionis Custodes, that the plan was working contrary to its goals of keeping Trad-minded faithful in the Conciliar Church.  When the faithful have the opportunity in Motu Masses to experience the Tridentine Mass, which is a more eloquent teacher of the sensus Catholicus than any textbook ever written, they start to wake up to the contradiction between Tradition and the Conciliar Church, and so it was "waking up" more people than it was lulling to sleep in complacency.  Ganswein later admitted that this was Ratzinger's plan also, despite all the latter's pretenses to be some kind of quasi-Trad "pope".