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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Christs Servant on October 07, 2020, 08:32:25 AM
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An FSSP priest by the name of Fr. Walter Huber has decided to become a Sedevacantist after the sacrilegious & disgraceful "dog bowl" communion that was implemented by those who fear the world more than God at an FSSP parish in Germany. For those of you who are unawares, here is a link explaining the blasphemy that I described above: https://novusordowatch.org/2020/09/fssp-sacrilegious-lick-off-communion-germany/
Below is the translation of the FSSP parish's response to Fr. Huber's newly adopted Sedevacantism.
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Dear Faithful,
I have to inform you of the sad news that Fr. Walter Huber (formerly responsible for the apostolates of the Brotherhood in Augsburg, Bad Wörishofen and Landsberg and entrusted with the pastoral care of the children of Mary) has separated from the community of the Church.
Some time ago he had informed me that he wanted to leave the brotherhood. He made this decision unilaterally and without respecting our constitutions or the rules of canon law. I asked him to retire to one of our branches to reflect on his situation. Since he rejected this and remained in disobedience, I finally had to impose on him [after the previous threat of this punishment] the ban on exercising his priesthood (Suspensio a divinis).
Unfortunately, we now had to learn that on September 3 he "conditionally" had himself "consecrated" by a bishop who is not in unity with the Catholic Church. In doing so, he is questioning his ordination to the priesthood, which he received 24 years ago. By this fact he is excluded from the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter, and he has also incurred the penalty of excommunication. Therefore it is forbidden to participate in masses celebrated by Father Huber, or to ask him to administer the sacraments.
We recommend our former confrere to your prayers.
Fribourg (CH), on 14.09.2020,
P. Andrzej Komorowski FSSP (Superior General)
http://petrusbruderschaft.de/pages/wo-wir-sind/deutschland/muenchen/aktuelles.php
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While I am not a Sedevacantist, and in fact am strongly opposed to it for various reasons, it seems some people are just unable to reconcile the general apostasy with the idea that this is "The Catholic Church" and end up moving to the Sedevacantism boat. I, myself, contemplated it for a while after the "canonizations" of the heretics John Paul II & Paul VI as well as the servant of the anti-Christ Francis' corruption of the translation of the Lord's prayer. However, I did find an alternative to Sedevacantism in the form of a revised "R&R" position.
What are your thoughts?
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I missed the part where it says he's become a sedevacantist. It just says that he was conditionally "consecrated" ... and it sounds like he meant conditionally "ordained" rather than "consecrated". Sounds like he was questioning the new rite of episcopal consecration and thus his ordination by such a bishop.
So on the one hand this message says he was questioning the validity of his priesthood by getting consecrated conditionally, which would be the opposite if he got consecrated before getting conditionally ordained. But then he says that he incurred excommunication, which only happens with an episcopal consecration. So this communication is a hot mess and can't be deciphered as is.
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I missed the part where it says he's become a sedevacantist. It just says that he was conditionally "consecrated" ... and it sounds like he meant conditionally "ordained" rather than "consecrated". Sounds like he was questioning the new rite of episcopal consecration and thus his ordination by such a bishop.
So on the one hand this message says he was questioning the validity of his priesthood by getting consecrated conditionally, which would be the opposite if he got consecrated before getting conditionally ordained. But then he says that he incurred excommunication, which only happens with an episcopal consecration. So this communication is a hot mess and can't be deciphered as is.
Sorry. I forgot to post an important piece of information as well.
After leaving the FSSP, Fr. Huber was ordained sub conditione by the sedevacantist "Bp." Ramolla on September 3 (Bulletin from September 6) http://ourladyofvictorychapel.blogspot.com/p/bulletins.html).
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However, I did find an alternative to Sedevacantism in the form of a revised "R&R" position.
What are your thoughts?
Is your revised R&R theory one you found from someone else or one that you developed?
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Is your revised R&R theory one you found from someone else or one that you developed?
The R&R theory I follow is essentially Fr. Chazal's slightly modified form of the Cassiciacuм thesis or "Sedeprivationism."
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In doing so, he is questioning his ordination to the priesthood, which he received 24 years ago. By this fact he is excluded from the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter, and he has also incurred the penalty of excommunication.
Best decision he ever made. Get the heck out of that fssp mess.
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Sorry. I forgot to post an important piece of information as well.
After leaving the FSSP, Fr. Huber was ordained sub conditione by the sedevacantist "Bp." Ramolla on September 3 (Bulletin from September 6) http://ourladyofvictorychapel.blogspot.com/p/bulletins.html).
Was he also consecrated a bishop?
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But then he says that he incurred excommunication, which only happens with an episcopal consecration. So this communication is a hot mess and can't be deciphered as is.
The letter doesn't say under what canon he incurred excommunication. It may not have been for the ordination per se.
The letter notes the bishop is "not in unity with the Catholic Church", that is, schismatic. If a priest went to an Orthodox bishop for ordination, that could be viewed as a schismatic act. Similar here. And schism is subject to excommunication.
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The letter doesn't say under what canon he incurred excommunication. It may not have been for the ordination per se.
The letter notes the bishop is "not in unity with the Catholic Church", that is, schismatic. If a priest went to an Orthodox bishop for ordination, that could be viewed as a schismatic act. Similar here. And schism is subject to excommunication.
Typically ordination by a schismatic incurs suspension, not excommunication, and the original link keeps referring to "consecration" (though it might be an issue with translation from German).
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The R&R theory I follow is essentially Fr. Chazal's slightly modified form of the Cassiciacuм thesis or "Sedeprivationism."
Fr. Chazal has stated, in his book called "Contra Cekadam," that he is not a sedeprivationist.
Fr. Chazal's definition of sedeprivationism may be different from others who hold to the sedeprivationist view. It's all about one's "opinion" these days, evidently.
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Was he also consecrated a bishop?
No, just as a priest since he was initially ordained in the new rite as a priest and had his doubts about its validity.
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you ask - What are your thoughts?
Our Lady has testified. Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist. This is an accomplished fact. It seems it is not understood or we can not process the message. So heaven sends us a sign in 2017. A woman clothed with the sun... 9/23/2017. The scripture scholars have said this verse in Apoc. 12 refers to a disputed papal election. Which in fact happened. 1958. Rome lost the faith. Rome lost the pope. The pope was taken up to the throne of God and is eclipsed by the Antichrist. Like the sun eclipsed by the earth. The sun is still in the sky. Old pagans had other thoughts like it actually died. The sun the pope is still in the sky. The pope reigns gloriously. The pure bride she has no spot or wrinkle. Read on to Apoc 14. The pope returns. Scripture scholars say this. We are here. Waiting on the pope to return like Moses to a divided Israel below the mountain worshipping idols. Get ready!
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No, just as a priest since he was initially ordained in the new rite as a priest and had his doubts about its validity.
Ah, OK, so the German translation was misleading. I still don't get the charge of excommunication for a conditional ordination.
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Typically ordination by a schismatic incurs suspension, not excommunication
But this priest didn't just get ordained by a schismatic - in the view of the FSSP he left the church.
And while it may not be typical, excommunication is a penalty available for schism.
It's a possible explanation.
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Wow, jumped RIGHT OVER the SSPX/Resistance position...