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Offline Incredulous

Re: Frs. Altamira & Pierre Roy to be consecrated
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2024, 03:44:21 PM »
Quote from: Matthew on November 19, 2023, 08:06:12 AM
Seems like, for a cleric, becoming Sedevacantist is a recipe for promotion, a recipe for "greatness". Imagine being consecrated a bishop while still very young, around 30 years old. That totally wouldn't influence a person when choosing between sedevacantism and not-sedevacantism. ::)

On the other hand, imagine being consecrated a Bishop when you’re an old man and are slow to do anything?

You have to wonder for what purpose those consecrations were made?
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Offline ElwinRansom1970

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Re: Frs. Altamira & Pierre Roy to be consecrated
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2024, 04:54:27 PM »
Does everyone understand clearly that trad bishops -- sede, R&R, and SSPX -- are not bishops in the strict sense (holding a juridical office whether as ordinary, suffragan, auxiliary, or curial) but only dispensers of sacraments requiring episcopal ministration?
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Offline Texana

Re: Frs. Altamira & Pierre Roy to be consecrated
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2024, 05:43:59 PM »
Quote from: ElwinRansom1970 on June 30, 2024, 04:54:27 PM
Does everyone understand clearly that trad bishops -- sede, R&R, and SSPX -- are not bishops in the strict sense (holding a juridical office whether as ordinary, suffragan, auxiliary, or curial) but only dispensers of sacraments requiring episcopal ministration?
Dear ElwinRansom1970,

Yes. They have jurisdiction coming from their consecratory rites, but they do not possess the Papal Mandate, which would assign their territory. That is why it is important that no Catholic props up a usurper on Peter's Chair; whether by the novus ordo position, or sedeprivationism, or any other explanation permitting the enemy of Christ to be seen as a Pope.  Eventually, that is how the Antichrist will be sitting on the Throne of Peter.

Stop thinking of material things.  The Church is the perfect society. Our Lord did not die for the buildings in the Vatican or anywhere else. The faithful souls are what matters.
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Offline Meg

Re: Frs. Altamira & Pierre Roy to be consecrated
« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2024, 06:04:33 PM »
Quote from: ElwinRansom1970 on June 30, 2024, 04:54:27 PM
Does everyone understand clearly that trad bishops -- sede, R&R, and SSPX -- are not bishops in the strict sense (holding a juridical office whether as ordinary, suffragan, auxiliary, or curial) but only dispensers of sacraments requiring episcopal ministration?

You bring up an interesting question for me. Given that the sede, SSPX, and R&R bishops have supplied jurisdiction, do you know if that supplied jurisdiction includes a teaching office for the Faith? I mean, does supplied jurisdiction include teaching and preaching, or does it really just consist of supplying the sacraments? I've not ever thought about it before. 
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Offline ElwinRansom1970

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Re: Frs. Altamira & Pierre Roy to be consecrated
« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2024, 08:29:36 PM »
Quote from: Meg on June 30, 2024, 06:04:33 PM
You bring up an interesting question for me. Given that the sede, SSPX, and R&R bishops have supplied jurisdiction, do you know if that supplied jurisdiction includes a teaching office for the Faith? I mean, does supplied jurisdiction include teaching and preaching, or does it really just consist of supplying the sacraments? I've not ever thought about it before.
No, ecclesia supplet has nothing to do with magisterial functions. It pertains only to the administration of sacraments and is not habitual, meaning that supplied jurisdiction is not something a trad bishops or priest continually possesses. They only have supplied jurisdiction as needed when administering sacraments for which they lack ordinary jurisdiction for their administration -- and only so long as a stare of emergency persists in the Church (apart from other situations where ecclesia supplet obtains such as danger of death or common error).

A great many incorrect ideas regarding supplied jurisdiction have circulated over the past 50 years. It only has to do with sacraments and in no way confers any kind of ecclesial office or mandate.
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