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Offline Matthew

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Re: Frs. Altamira & Pierre Roy to be consecrated
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2023, 08:06:12 AM »
Quote from: Traveler on November 12, 2023, 09:47:14 PM
Bishop Da Silva supposedly met Fr. Roy while at the resistance seminary in France. This is where the seeds of sedevacantism took root in the European reistance and spread across the Atlantic. Some priests were excluded by Bishop Faure, but at least two of the seminarians remianed. One of those was Bishop da Silva, who will now be consecrating Fr. Roy.

Seems like, for a cleric, becoming Sedevacantist is a recipe for promotion, a recipe for "greatness". Imagine being consecrated a bishop while still very young, around 30 years old. That totally wouldn't influence a person when choosing between sedevacantism and not-sedevacantism. ::)
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Offline Traveler

Re: Frs. Altamira & Pierre Roy to be consecrated
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2023, 08:16:29 AM »
Quote from: Mithrandylan on November 19, 2023, 08:03:29 AM
Kind of an interesting plot twist, Bishop McGuire refuses to approve/condone the consecrations and announces the end of SGG's working relationship with Bishop Da Silva.

https://twitter.com/liturgicalife/status/1726207662596264014?t=r5RH6dxltjAGXvoND8K9zw&s=19

The priests of SGG, with the exception of Fr. McKenna, barely leave Ohio as I understand it. Not to mention they are linguistically inept to do so. If Bishop McGuire and his half a dozen priests cooped up in the house had visited Canada or Latin America within the last 5 years, maybe they would see the need more. Do they really expect one bishop from Brazil to take care of all of Latin America and Canada while they sip tea in West Chester?
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Offline Mithrandylan

Re: Frs. Altamira & Pierre Roy to be consecrated
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2023, 08:33:50 AM »
Quote from: Traveler on November 19, 2023, 08:16:29 AM
The priests of SGG, with the exception of Fr. McKenna, barely leave Ohio as I understand it. Not to mention they are linguistically inept to do so. If Bishop McGuire and his half a dozen priests cooped up in the house had visited Canada or Latin America within the last 5 years, maybe they would see the need more. Do they really expect one bishop from Brazil to take care of all of Latin America and Canada while they sip tea in West Chester?
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It seems that, instead of rushing out to say he doesn't approve because he doesn't know anything about the candidates, he might have learned something about the candidates and *then* issued an opinion. 
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Frs. Altamira & Pierre Roy to be consecrated
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2023, 11:16:34 AM »
Quote from: Mithrandylan on November 19, 2023, 08:33:50 AM
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It seems that, instead of rushing out to say he doesn't approve because he doesn't know anything about the candidates, he might have learned something about the candidates and *then* issued an opinion.
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Yeah, like the fact that da Silva has practically no traditional seminary formation, and flunked out of the SAJM seminary after the first year of spirituality, and was sent back to Santa Cruz.

Not sure how/why +Williamson would ordain him after that, but he soon regretted it publicly.
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Offline Mithrandylan

Re: Frs. Altamira & Pierre Roy to be consecrated
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2023, 11:25:48 AM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 19, 2023, 11:16:34 AM
Yeah, like the fact that da Silva has practically no traditional seminary formation, and flunked out of the SAJM seminary after the first year of spirituality, and was sent back to Santa Cruz.

Not sure how/why +Williamson would ordain him after that, but he soon regretted it publicly.
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To be frank, I think this more likely the truth. Da Silva's consecration by +Dolan was viewed with significant skepticism for these very reasons.
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"I don't know these men so I disapprove of these consecrations and dissociate with Da Silva" isn't a credible position. Ignorance of Altamira and Roy could be solved with a quick Google search (CI has plenty of info on both) or just picking up the phone. I don't believe that's the heart of the matter. 
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