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From Cremation to Liquifying the Dead Through Chemicals
« on: July 17, 2012, 12:36:17 PM »
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  • Check out the logic of the NO NY Catholic Conference in condemning chemical liquefication of human bodies:

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    According to the Conference: “The Church’s reverence for the sacredness of the human body and its dignity arises out of concern for both the body’s natural and supernatural properties. It is therefore essential that the body of a deceased person be treated with respect and reverence. Processes involving chemical digestion of human remains do not sufficiently respect this dignity.”


    So incinerating a human body by fire into ashes and spreading them around treats said body with respect and reverence? It reveres the sacred diginity of the human body and respects its natural and supernatural properties?

    So the NO conference basically uses the "gives me the creeps" test when deciding moral issues regarding human remains? 50 years ago these same types would have said the above quote about cremation with the same level of indignation. But since cremation became widespread in the secular world over the last 50 years, it then magically became "reverent"! So, once chemical liquefecation becomes all the rage in the secular world in 20 more years, the NO conference will re-assess whether it still gives them the "creeps"?

    Unbelievable.

    http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/2012-0731-father-caletus-cremation.htm

    Burning Souls, Melting Bodies:

    Alkaline Hydrolysis Coming Soon to a Funeral Home near You

     
    Father Celatus POSTED: 7/16/12
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    Among the countless sacred art treasures commissioned and possessed by the Catholic Church is the Renaissance masterpiece known as the Pieta, by Michelangelo. This famous work depicts the body of Jesus in the lap of his mother Mary after the Crucifixion. The statue is displayed in the first chapel area of the Basilica of Saint Peter in Rome, and its dignity and beauty mesmerize pilgrims and tourists alike.

    Unfortunately, there are a few visitors to the Eternal City who have no respect for anything, even a marble sculpture of the dead body of our Lord, as manifested by vandals who attacked the Pieta some years ago, for which reason it is now displayed to the public from behind protective glass.

    The profound respect afforded the body of Jesus after his death is biblically well attested:

    The Jєωs, that the bodies might not remain on the cross on the Sabbath day, besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. The soldiers therefore came; and they broke the legs of the first, and of the other that was crucified with him. But after they were come to Jesus, when they saw that he was already dead, they did not break his legs…For these things were done, that the scripture might be fulfilled: You shall not break a bone of him… And after these things, Joseph of Arimathea besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus. And Pilate gave leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus. Nicodemus also came, bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pound weight. They took therefore the body of Jesus, and bound it in linen cloths, with the spices, as the manner of the Jєωs is to bury…And when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought sweet spices, that coming, they might anoint Jesus. And very early in the morning, the first day of the week, they come to the sepulcher, the sun being now risen…

    The Church teaches that even during the span of time in which the human soul of Christ was separated from his body in death, his divinity remained and so his body was sacred. While we cannot claim the same divine phenomenon with the death of a Christian, in light of the grace of baptism by which we are joined to Christ and in view of the future resurrection of the body, traditional Church practice requires respect for the deceased. Consistent with this, canons of the 1917 code forbade the use of cremation for Christians.

    Canon 1203: "The bodies of the faithful must be buried, and cremation is reprobated. If anyone has in any manner ordered his body to be cremated, it shall be unlawful to execute his wish."

    Canon 1240.5: "Persons who have given orders for the cremation of their bodies are deprived of ecclesiastical burial, unless they have before death given some signs of repentance."

    Canon 2339: "Persons who, in violation of the prohibition of Canon 1240, dare to order or force the ecclesiastical burial (of those who are to be deprived of it) incur excommunication ipso facto; and persons who of their own accord give ecclesiastical burial to the above mentioned, incur an interdict from entering a church."

    Sadly, but not surprisingly, about the same time that the Vatican erected the barrier glass to protect the marble body of Jesus from the attack of vandals, the Church tore down the canonical and liturgical barriers intended to protect the bodies of the faithful. In 1963, an Instruction from the Holy Office lifted the ban on cremation by allowing it in certain circuмstances provided that the reasons for choosing cremation were not contrary to Christian belief.

    In the revised funeral rites of 1969, a further step was taken to allow for the Committal Rite to take place at the crematorium or gravesite.

    The 1983 revision of the Code of Canon Law states, "The Church earnestly recommends that the pious custom of burying the bodies of the dead be observed; it does not, however, forbid cremation unless it has been chosen for reasons which are contrary to Christian teaching" (Canon 1176).

    As a final step down this deadly path, an indult now allows funeral Masses in the United States to be offered with the ashes of the deceased present, in place of the body.

    With this history in mind, we now come to an interesting outcry against cremation by a prominent diocese in the United States. A New York bill that would redefine cremation to include the “chemical digestion” of human remains into liquid waste, has met with rejection from the New York State Catholic Conference.

    According to the Conference: “The Church’s reverence for the sacredness of the human body and its dignity arises out of concern for both the body’s natural and supernatural properties. It is therefore essential that the body of a deceased person be treated with respect and reverence. Processes involving chemical digestion of human remains do not sufficiently respect this dignity.”

    More specifically, the proposed change to New York's law would revise its definition of “cremation” such that along with its conventional meaning, cremation could include “any chemical process” that breaks down a human body. One such procedure is “alkaline hydrolysis.” This process has been promoted in recent years as a “green” alternative to conventional cremation, which releases carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Alkaline hydrolysis uses lye to dissolve bodies into a liquid substance, which is typically drained into the sewage system. It is also referred to as “bio-cremation” or “flameless cremation.”

    Meanwhile, in the country of Australia, there is a financial penalty for the burial of bodies. Recently a grieving family from Melbourne contested a fifty-five dollar "carbon tax charge" they incurred when burying a relative, being told, "Even the dead don't escape the carbon tax.” The bereaved family is outraged over the “tax on the dying.” No doubt a similar carbon footprint tax will be coming to America as a deterrent to burial.

    Once again we see how the abandonment of traditional Church practice has put the faithful at risk spiritually—and in this case, physically. By opening the coffin lid to cremation, the Church now finds herself sliding down the slippery slope of green slime.
     


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    From Cremation to Liquifying the Dead Through Chemicals
    « Reply #1 on: July 17, 2012, 12:54:08 PM »
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  • The vandals who attached the pieta may have actually been "Noahides" - they are an offshoot (most likely led by Jєωs) that adhere to the belief that God gave 7 Laws to the descendants of Noah.  

    Noahides believe that a religious statue would be rendered just a memorial statue by damaging it in some way.  



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    From Cremation to Liquifying the Dead Through Chemicals
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    From Cremation to Liquifying the Dead Through Chemicals
    « Reply #3 on: July 17, 2012, 07:33:24 PM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    The vandals who attached the pieta may have actually been "Noahides" - they are an offshoot (most likely led by Jєωs) that adhere to the belief that God gave 7 Laws to the descendants of Noah.  

    Noahides believe that a religious statue would be rendered just a memorial statue by damaging it in some way.  



    When I was visiting the lovely Basilica of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary in Gdańsk, Poland, I was saddened to see that the very old Icons, paintings and other works of art were flawed by being behind thick iron bars. If you look at Wikipedia it shows the Chapel of Our Lady Gate of Dawn, which I never saw (I stopped in at lunch to pray and look around, but it is a HUGE Church.)- it seems to be used enough to be open, but when I was there in late nineties in the part I visited there were several other paintings and sculptures that were all placed into recesses in the wall with bars over them, and what looked like a small chapel that was completely barred off.

    Actually looking closer I'm almost sure I saw that Icon. I remember thinking it was the "Black Madonna" I had heard about, but that's at Jasna Gora. It might have been moved the location in the picture, but it was definitely behind bars when I saw it.

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    From Cremation to Liquifying the Dead Through Chemicals
    « Reply #4 on: July 21, 2012, 05:17:39 AM »
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  • This is good to know about.

    This, like so many other things in the practice of the Faith, has changed dramatically
    in the past few decades, all within my lifetime. When we step back and look at it,
    we can know that we have been chosen to live in the time when the faith of
    Catholics would be under attack as never before in the history of the Church.

    When I was a child, it was universally regarded as abominable to cremate a body.
    That is, among Catholics. I never heard anyone say otherwise, until the end of
    the abominable 60's.

    So now, as abhorrent as liquifaction would seem to be among Catholics, if the same
    precepts and process is applied, as you say, in 20 more years, it will suddenly
    become acceptable.

    I think it's time for qualified theologians to figure out what kind of effect this will have
    on souls in eternity. For other things we do in this life affect our life (or death!) in the
    next world, why wouldn't this too? It would have to be according to our choice in the
    matter, as in whether we decide to check that box on the "pre-need form" or
    otherwise order liquifaction for ourselves after we die.

    Those who die in a catastrophic fire would not be guilty of ordering their cremation,
    and those who order their cremation would not be innocent as if their bodies had
    burned in a fire not of their choosing.

    Likewise, those who accidentally fall into a vat of nitric acid would not be culpable of
    having ordered their body to be dissolved by alkaline hdrolysis, nor would those who
    choose alkaline hydrolysis instead of a closed casket, for example, be innocent like
    the others who did an unplanned belly-flop in the unmentionable, one-way bath.

    Guilt or innocence must have a mark of some kind that can last forever, especially
    when it has to do with the Last Things.
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