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French Translation, Raoul?
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2011, 11:24:00 PM »
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  • I will translate it, but my question is, does it really matter if Paul VI intended to engage his authority, if he didn't really have any?  Also, a Council involving all the bishops cannot err on faith and morals even if the Pope says it's only pastoral.  Where is the precedent for this idea of a "pastoral" Council?  Does that have any theological value at all?  

    When you factor in that Lumen Gentium is described as "dogmatic" what becomes clear in all the muddle is that, though we can never read Paul VI's intentions, we don't have to, because he crossed the line objectively and can't be Pope.  The Magisterium also crossed the line to the point where it stopped being the Magisterium.  

    I'm sure you appreciate the commentary.  First page in the next box --
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    « Reply #2 on: June 08, 2011, 11:26:10 PM »
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  • Dom Arnaldo Vidigal Xavier da Silveira ( now that's a name ) -- "What to Think of the Novus Ordo mass?"
     
    Before we engage the specific question of the new "Ordo" Mass, we think it would be a good idea to brush up on the ideas we discussed heretofore and to refine the nature of our inquiry.

    ( 1 ) We have seen that, in general, the neo-scholastic texts treat the idea that the universal laws of the Church ( which include the liturgical laws ) are infallible as theologically certain.

    ( 2 ) We then showed that this idea has, or seems to have, a solid basis in tradition.

    ( 3 ) We went on to specify that, despite these proofs from tradition that some have posited, there are serious reasons, doctrinal as well as historical, that lead us to doubt that the universal laws ALWAYS AND NECESSARILY involve the infallibility of the Church.

    ( 4 ) We remarked that this doubt has support in tradition, because there are many documents where hesitations and mitigating expressions are used when discussing the infallibility of disciplinary and liturgical laws.

    ( 5 ) We finally discovered that in the last few decades of theological writings, it has become more and more apparent that liturgical procedures engage the authority of the Church in varying degrees only, according to the extent to which the Holy See or the sacred hierarchy invoke their proper authority.

    ( 6 ) All there is to do now is to ask, in the hopes of answering the question in the introduction, to what extent the documents that refer to the New Mass, uti iacent, reveal that Paul VI intended to engage his authority.  This is what we'll find out as we continue.


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    French Translation, Raoul?
    « Reply #3 on: June 09, 2011, 09:11:38 AM »
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  • Thanks, looking forward to the rest.  I'm envious of those who know foreign languages, I just don't have the patience or memory for it.  


     

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