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Offline CathMomof7

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« on: November 07, 2011, 08:43:43 AM »
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  • I don't really have a lot of time to write this out, so forgive me if it seems incoherent.  I really could use some instruction here.

    I am completely ignorant about Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.  I grew up in the South where it is widespread and common.  In my young adulthood, I knew many people who were Masons or Eastern Stars.  I was never told that there was anything wrong with it.

    So I have been doing some research over the years on my own about it, but I am still ill informed.  Yet, I am constantly discovering little things that are very, very troubling.  

    Yesterday, I discovered that the term "traveling man" is a Masonic code word for fellow masons to identify themselves.  I thought I'd google it and to my surprise I found blog after blog asking this question:  "How do I respond when a Mason asks me if I'm a traveling man?"  

    Then in the same conversation someone said "Why do you think John Wayne coined the phrase "Howdy Pilgrim"?  I knew John Wayne was a Mason but I just didn't really connect the two.  I looked that up too and it does seem that the Masons use the pilgrim reference a lot.  I found old poems in their magazines referring to their pilgrim  journeys, there is a very popular book that Masons recommend reading titled "A Pilgrim Path", and long discussions about inner pilgrimages and being Pilgrims on search of the cosmic vision of truth.  Seems like a big theme.

    But then I was reminded of something I was taught in my RCIA class that I just never really accepted nor understood.  It was the idea of the "Pilgrim" Church.  I have heard many of my NO friends defend and identify themselves as Pilgrims in a Pilgrim Church more times that I care to recount.  So, naturally I connected the two.  

    When I began my search for tradition, I first learned about the Church Militant, the Church Triumphant, and the Church Suffering.  I had never heard these terms before.  When I read portions of Lumen Gentium I noticed that these references are not there.  They have been replaced with the pilgrim on a journey church and a church in glory.  There is no reference at all to the Church Suffering, as if Purgatory does not exist.

    I am really interested in understanding this more.  It seems to me that Masons have completed permeated everything and most people just don't know what is going on.  They are just blindly following along and never bother to question any of it.  

    Any thoughts.

    Please pardon my stupidity.

     :tinfoil:


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    « Reply #1 on: November 07, 2011, 09:38:07 AM »
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  • Sort of makes you wonder about the phrase "Pilgrims of Truth" in relation to agnostics, doesn't it?

    Certainly that sort of phrase in the given context fits the masonic view of the world, not the Catholic one.


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    « Reply #2 on: November 07, 2011, 09:40:47 AM »
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  • Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is basically a form of devil worship. Pope Clement XII condemned it:

    POPE CLEMENT XII (1738) - 'In Eminenti' : "We have resolved and decreed to condemn and forbid such Societies, assemblies, reunions, conventions, aggregations or meetings called either Freemasonic or known under some other denomination. WE CONDEMN AND FORBID THEM BY THIS, OUR PRESENT CONSTITUTION, WHICH IS TO BE CONSIDERED VALID FOREVER."
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #3 on: November 07, 2011, 09:45:55 AM »
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  • I remember as a kid recalling my parents talking about how people at Church were saying that God can change.

    Anyway, it needs to be remembered that the masons went to a lot of trouble to do what they did.  It's absolutely crazy to think that some of them aren't attracted to the Trad movement like moths to a flame.  There are people who are going to be interested in subverting the movement.  The most powerful will be interested in subverting the priests first.  The eccentric busybodies might start attending masses at your chapel.  

    Just as weird people with agendas they try to keep hidden will post here, you can be sure they are trying to influence things "in real life."  

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    « Reply #4 on: November 07, 2011, 10:25:34 AM »
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  • Watch this
    :http://www.fatimachallenge.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=63:masonry-unmasked&catid=21&Itemid=15

    Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ unmasked by John Salza. One of the best videos i have ever seen as to the truth behind the lodge.

    D. Morgan

    With truly lamentable results, our age, casting aside all restraint in its search for the ultimate causes of things, frequently pursues novelties so ardently that it rejects the legacy of the human race.   "Lamentabili Sane Exitu" Pope St. Pi


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    « Reply #5 on: November 09, 2011, 11:48:03 AM »
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  • I am going to direct you to this thread, Cathmom.

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/A-Chiesa-Viva-worth-reading

    These are the plans the Freemasons had for the Church in their own writings. This was published by Father Luigi Villa, who was given a mission by Padre Pio and was commissioned by Pius XII to expose ecclesiastical Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. Very informative. I translated it through a couple of different online translators from Italian into English. The hard link is here.

    http://www.chiesaviva.com/la%20massoneria.pdf
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #6 on: November 09, 2011, 02:10:37 PM »
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  • I wonder if this is why Rome came down on St. +Pio?
    D. Morgan

    With truly lamentable results, our age, casting aside all restraint in its search for the ultimate causes of things, frequently pursues novelties so ardently that it rejects the legacy of the human race.   "Lamentabili Sane Exitu" Pope St. Pi

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    « Reply #7 on: November 12, 2011, 05:33:38 PM »
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  • My daughter's Godfather's Godfather wrote "Behind the Lodge Door" (Paul A. Fisher)

    He used *exclusively public quotations from Masonic periodicals for his research. Their plans are in plain sight to those who look. I recommend his book.


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    « Reply #8 on: November 18, 2011, 10:53:59 PM »
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  • I think a lot of them never look.  I have known plenty of Masons casually.  They were generally low level members, and were clueless dupes rather than willfully evil.  I expect my experience would have been very different if I had know some of the more highly placed masons.
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    « Reply #9 on: December 08, 2011, 03:25:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: DMorgan
    Watch this
    :http://www.fatimachallenge.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=63:masonry-unmasked&catid=21&Itemid=15

    Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ unmasked by John Salza. One of the best videos i have ever seen as to the truth behind the lodge.


    Yeah DMorgan, I whole-heartedly agree.
    That's one of the best presentations available on Masonry's hidden agenda.  So much information... well worth watching over and again!

    Also from that same Fatima Conference, there's another excellent lecture:
    "The Third Secret Explains What is the Mystery of Iniquity in Our Time" by Father Paul Kramer.

    In this presentation, Father skillfully expounds on Ecclesiastical Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.  Great Stuff!
    http://www.consecrationnow.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=70%3Athe-third-secret-explains-what-is-the-mystery-of-iniquity-in-our-time&catid=18&Itemid=9

    BTW,
    Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Fr Kramer's latest book on this subject? "The Mystery of Iniquity" by Fr Paul Kramer

    If so, please send me a PM... Thanks!



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    « Reply #10 on: December 08, 2011, 03:48:29 PM »
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  • Quote from: Kelley


    Also from that same Fatima Conference, there's another excellent lecture:
    "The Third Secret Explains What is the Mystery of Iniquity in Our Time" by Father Paul Kramer.

    In this presentation, Father skillfully expounds on Ecclesiastical Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.  Great Stuff!
    http://www.consecrationnow.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=70%3Athe-third-secret-explains-what-is-the-mystery-of-iniquity-in-our-time&catid=18&Itemid=9

    BTW,
    Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Fr Kramer's latest book on this subject? "The Mystery of Iniquity" by Fr Paul Kramer

    If so, please send me a PM... Thanks!


     Wow, had not heard he's written something new.  Fr. Kramer has always been one of my very favorites.

    I'm going to listen to the link, so thanks Kelley, and welcome to the forums! :cheers:


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    « Reply #11 on: December 08, 2011, 04:08:11 PM »
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  • Quote from: Cupertino
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    Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is basically a form of devil worship. Pope Clement XII condemned it:

    POPE CLEMENT XII (1738) - 'In Eminenti' : "We have resolved and decreed to condemn and forbid such Societies, assemblies, reunions, conventions, aggregations or meetings called either Freemasonic or known under some other denomination. WE CONDEMN AND FORBID THEM BY THIS, OUR PRESENT CONSTITUTION, WHICH IS TO BE CONSIDERED VALID FOREVER."


    I know it is condemned as being an organization working against the Church. But, actual "devil worship" for the whole organization?  Where do you get that from?


    Well, for starters, a Freemason named Albert Pike had the following to say:

    * From the book 'Morals and Dogma' by Albert Pike (past 'pope' of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ):
    "The mason is familiar with the doctrine that the supreme being is a centre of light." and on page 321: "Lucifer the light-bearer. Lucifer the son of the morning. Is it he who bears the light? Doubt it not!"

    (This book has been called the 'bible' of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, and is given to all masons in the 4th degree.)

    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #12 on: December 08, 2011, 04:15:16 PM »
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  • Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is gnostic.  It venerates the "generative" principle - that's the meaning of the compass and square.  It venerates the serpent and paganism in general.

    It is a form of worship that is fundamentally anti-Christian, so yes, in that sense, it is satanic, whether consciously or unconsciously.  

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    « Reply #13 on: December 08, 2011, 04:19:26 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    It venerates the "generative" principle - that's the meaning of the compass and square.    


    As opposed to the creative principle?

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    « Reply #14 on: December 08, 2011, 04:21:28 PM »
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  • Quote from: Graham
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    It venerates the "generative" principle - that's the meaning of the compass and square.    


    As opposed to the creative principle?


    Well, Freemasons are Deists. They believe "the grand architect of the universe" (as they call it) gave the world its first "push" and then left it to operate on its own.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.