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Offline Petertherock

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Frank: God does not exist!
« on: October 09, 2014, 08:44:28 AM »
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  • http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/francis-god-does-not-exist.htm

    Francis: “God does Not Exist! … There is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit!”

    October 9, 2014. Exactly 56 years since the death of Pope Pius XII. Vatican Radio publishes a summary of the “Pope’s” latest homily, quoting him as follows:

    So often [people ask]: 'But do you believe?': 'Yes! Yes! '; 'What do you believe in?'; 'In God!'; 'But what is God for you?'; 'God, God'. But God does not exist: Do not be shocked! So God does not exist! There is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, they are persons, they are not some vague idea in the clouds ... This God spray does not exist! The three persons exist!
    (“Pope at Santa Marta: What we dare not hope for”, News.va, Oct. 9, 2014)

    Just brilliant. This from the man who said “There is no Catholic God.” Hopefully this idiocy does not require further comment. We defy Francis to say what he just said, to Jєωs and Muslims. (Remember, he believes they worship the same god he worships, but they explicitly reject the Most Holy Trinity.) Somehow we don’t recall him preaching the Three Divine Persons to Jєωs and Muslims. Instead, he hosted interreligious prayer to “God” with them at the Vatican. Francis may mockingly refer to “God Spray”, but it is Catholic dogma that God is a pure spirit: “God is a spirit; and they that adore him, must adore him in spirit and in truth” (Jn 4:24).

    As one member of the Novus Ordo curia is reported to have said about Francis, “His health is bad, so at least this won’t last too long” (source).
    On this October 9, pray for the repose of the soul of the last true Holy Father, Pius XII. Nothing has been the same since his passing. A whole new religion was formed after his death, occupying the Catholic structures throughout the world. All the trouble began at the suspicious conclave that followed the Pope’s death in 1958.
    Kyrie, eleison.


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    Frank: God does not exist!
    « Reply #1 on: October 09, 2014, 10:21:58 AM »
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  • In case anyone thinks this is from a parody website, Novus Ordo Watch links to the source of the article:

    http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-at-santa-marta-what-we-dare-not-hope-for

    It is from the Vatican.


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    Frank: God does not exist!
    « Reply #2 on: October 09, 2014, 11:37:39 AM »
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  • Thanks for the report.  
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15

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    Frank: God does not exist!
    « Reply #3 on: October 10, 2014, 07:52:12 AM »
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  • I do understand what the "pope" is trying to say...he's trying to defend the Most Holy Trinity...but...he should pick a better way of doing it.


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    Frank: God does not exist!
    « Reply #4 on: October 10, 2014, 08:44:28 AM »
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  • Quote from: Petertherock
    I do understand what the "pope" is trying to say...he's trying to defend the Most Holy Trinity...but...he should pick a better way of doing it.


    You think so?  Then why tell his audience not to be shocked?  Many people will claim that this is "obviously" what he's trying to say, but I do not think they really do "understand" at all.  This is merely what the more "conservative" Catholics will want to believe it is what he was trying to say.

    It seems that such an interpretation can be made, but it is by no means the only or even the most obvious interpretation.  This is even after I read the entire article on the Vatican Radio website.

    No.  He is intentionally saying things that can have multiple interpretations and is, like all Modernists, intentionally being vague.  He is no better than Arius or any of the heresiarchs we know through history.  Why anyone considers him to be a Catholic, let alone a pope, is something that I simply cannot understand.


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    Frank: God does not exist!
    « Reply #5 on: October 10, 2014, 12:09:26 PM »
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  • Who is he to judge?

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    Frank: God does not exist!
    « Reply #6 on: October 10, 2014, 12:32:39 PM »
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  • Yeah, what he's trying to say, ever so ineptly, is that there's no such thing as a non-personal god, some kind of impersonal force.

    But "God does not exist" is an utterly idiotic expression from anyone who has had a modicuм of Catholic theological training.

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    Frank: God does not exist!
    « Reply #7 on: October 10, 2014, 02:05:54 PM »
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  • Does anyone think this sounds Arian?


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    Frank: God does not exist!
    « Reply #8 on: October 10, 2014, 03:46:03 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    Yeah, what he's trying to say, ever so ineptly, is that there's no such thing as a non-personal god, some kind of impersonal force.

    But "God does not exist" is an utterly idiotic expression from anyone who has had a modicuм of Catholic theological training.


    Again, I ask...why do you think so?  Why are you so sure?  He's saying something that is blasphemous and you're suggesting merely an "inept" way of saying what he "really" meant.  

    Why should I...and everyone...not simply assume he meant what he actually said.  After all, this was a sermon, a prepared speech.  I think too many people give him credit for having at least a modicuм of faith.

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    Frank: God does not exist!
    « Reply #9 on: October 10, 2014, 04:00:01 PM »
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  • I'll just go and ditto TKGS.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Frank: God does not exist!
    « Reply #10 on: October 10, 2014, 08:26:30 PM »
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  • You sedevacantist dolts.

    I'm sure that Francis doesn't believe in the existence of God, and yet believes in the existence of the Holy Trinity (which I suppose then must not be God).  He's obviously just tripping over his own brain.


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    Frank: God does not exist!
    « Reply #11 on: October 10, 2014, 09:50:18 PM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS
    Why anyone considers him to be a Catholic, let alone a pope, is something that I simply cannot understand.


    Well, the Church has not declared sede vacante, has She? As said before, there is no Catholicism without union with the Bishop of Rome and communion with the Holy See. If there is no union with the Bishop of Rome and communion with the Holy See, then there is no Catholicism - of all ages - but something else. It is a distinctive timeless mark because the Church of Christ is founded upon Peter.

    It is the Church Herself only who can ever judge sede-vacante, not individual Catholics. The judgment of guilt on the Roman Pontiff and the condemnation for heresy belongs solely to the Church, not to the laity. Even if such condemnation is proclaimed, theologians are not in agreement of what happens in the case of a heretical Pope.

    Too much emotion blurs the intellect and the ability of objective reasoning. Pope Francis could say just about anything but sedevacantists would hear only what they want to hear because they feel there is a constant need to reinforce and justify the position.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Frank: God does not exist!
    « Reply #12 on: October 10, 2014, 11:37:02 PM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS
    Quote from: Ladislaus
    Yeah, what he's trying to say, ever so ineptly, is that there's no such thing as a non-personal god, some kind of impersonal force.

    But "God does not exist" is an utterly idiotic expression from anyone who has had a modicuм of Catholic theological training.


    Again, I ask...why do you think so?  Why are you so sure?  He's saying something that is blasphemous and you're suggesting merely an "inept" way of saying what he "really" meant.  

    Why should I...and everyone...not simply assume he meant what he actually said.  After all, this was a sermon, a prepared speech.  I think too many people give him credit for having at least a modicuм of faith.


    Perhaps Frank the Fumbler does mean what Ladislaus attributes to his words.  But I am quite skeptical.  I do recognize that Frank isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.  But it's quite disconcerting that neo-con conciliarists spend more time telling us what the "pope" really means than Jay Carney spent telling us what obama means.  I believe that the primary product of Frank's dumbness is not his gaffeing words, but rather his overplaying his modernist hand.

    I believe that instead of Frank the Fumbler we're dealing with Frank the Fraud.  Consider this clause:  ". . . they are persons, they are not some vague idea in the sky . . . This God spray does not exist!"

    At least two interrelated things at play here.  He is making the Holy Trinity out to be more like persons in the sense of human persons--your chum down the street--and poopooing the notion of "God in the sky" or "God spray."  It seems to me that he IS NOT PROTECTING THE HOLY TRINITY, but is rather attacking the omniscience, and ultimately the divinity, thereof.

    To all of those eager to spin some backass angle of Catholicism out of Frank's words, your dribble would be more valuable watering down a dusty hog lot.

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    Frank: God does not exist!
    « Reply #13 on: October 11, 2014, 01:31:08 AM »
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  • Quote from: Cantarella
    Pope Francis could say just about anything but sedevacantists would hear only what they want to hear because they feel there is a constant need to reinforce and justify the position.


    What SVs should have done is silently beaver away at providing chapels and mass locations  confident that newchurch would reinforce their position with every passing year.  Not shout and scream but calmly get on with building.  Rule 11 of selling, never attack your competition, but rather show where you are superior.

    The fact SVs are not united with each other and cannot provide mass and the sacraments is the biggest black mark against them.

    The greatest argument for Sedevacantism is the behaviour of the papacy.  It's far more public and gets WAY more media attention than any stunt bishop Sanborn and fr. Cekada could dream up.  If they had been confident in their position, it should have been a certainty that the papacies would be a total CF.

    The Resistance could learn a lesson from this.  Stop attacking the SSPX and build a better mousetrap.  Make your chapels better places to be, with nicer people and more admirable priests who got along with each other.

    You can theologise, debate and philosophise all you like but in the end human decisions are nearly always pragmatic in the greater part.

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    Frank: God does not exist!
    « Reply #14 on: October 11, 2014, 08:42:57 AM »
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  • Quote from: Cantarella
    It is the Church Herself only who can ever judge sede-vacante, not individual Catholics.


    You talk as if the Church is some sort of autonomous being capable of making a judgment absent individuals.  What do you think the Church is?  She is the collection of all faithful Catholics--individually.  The Church can only declare what is first perceived by individual Catholics.  There are priests and bishops who have seen the truth and their judgment is backed up by millennia of sound Catholic doctrine.