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Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2025, 06:09:48 PM »
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    • Just going to throw this out there, it seems to me that the Pope is primarily the successor of St Peter, which the Bishop of Rome is by definition, but how exactly are they one and the same thing?  Stay with me here.  

    When Our Lord gave Peter the keys, and said "upon this rock", Peter was not yet in Rome.  Neither was he in Rome at Pentecost.  Rome is where he ended up, and where tradition holds that he died.  Peter has to have a successor, so Linus becomes that successor, ergo Bishop of Rome, ergo Pope.  What other way would there be to choose a successor to St Peter, than to have him be Bishop of Rome?  

    I suppose the question is, whenever a Pope is chosen, is he first and foremost chosen to be successor of St Peter, and being so chosen, becomes Bishop of Rome and thus Pope, kind of ex officio, if you will?  Or is he elected Bishop of Rome by proxies for the Roman clergy, viz. the College of Cardinals, and having been thus elected, is Pope ex officio, and being Bishop of Rome/Pope, is regarded as the successor of St Peter?

    Or are all three things "one big ball of wax" happening simultaneously?
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    Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
    « Reply #31 on: October 25, 2025, 08:44:28 PM »
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    • So, there's certainly a bit of a duality there with the Pope, between his title as Bishop of Rome, and then as his direct authority over the entire Church.  Vatican I in particular emphasized the plenary authority of the Pope over all Catholics, and not as just somehow passing through bishops, etc.  Then, in modern times, the world has gotten so much "smaller" than it used to be where, via the electronic media, he might as well be next door or in the church down the street.  Yet the Bishop of Rome aspect has also remained strong, and it's why all Cardinals receive titular churches in Rome, to make them at least honorary "clergy of Rome", who traditionally always elected the Pope.

    I liken it to those royal titles where the Duke of this and Duke of that, just also then happens to be the King.  So the one elected Bishop of Rome is also at the same time Pope of the Universal Church and Vicar of Christ.  Obviously the Pope can't actually manage both sets of duties, as either one would be a full-time job, so in a way HIS being bishop of Rome has largel evolved into being simply titular as well (as he delegates most of that to his Vicar General and some auxliary bishops).
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    Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
    « Reply #32 on: October 25, 2025, 08:53:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on October 24, 2025, 06:19:54 PM
    I dug through some notes from a time recently when I discussed this with someone else, and here is a quote from Cardinal Billot:

    I hope this explains the problem?

    Not really.  We all know that the Papacy is essentially Roman.  Yet, even though for 70 years Popes remained in Avignon, they were still the legitimate Popes.  So there's a distinction between the Pope somehow attempting to trasfer the See, per se, vs. where he just happens to be living, per accidens, such as when he's at Castel Gandolfo for the Summer, or no matter where he's at if he's travelling around the world, for example -- a distinction between the place a pope happens to be (accidentally) and the location of the See he's in charge of.  Not a few Popes have been exiled, and even died in exile, and many prophecies speak of Popes feeling Rome due to some kind of disaster or invasion or whatnot.
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    Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
    « Reply #33 on: October 25, 2025, 08:58:51 PM »
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    • With regard to possibly "UNBINDING" the Papacy from the See of Rome, when the Barbarians were about to take over Rome, that question was on the minds of Catholics, or what would happen if the entire area of the Diocese of Rome got wiped out, either naturally or by modern weapons, where it became unhabitable over time.  I do think that even if the Pope had to move physical location, he would continue to at least hold the title of Bishop of Rome, not unlike how Cardinals today have titular churches, etc.  One thing of interest is that St. Peter did also found the See of Antioch ... but the key is to whom did he hand that "baton" or authority, where, as he departed from authority, another took his place, and that would be his successor at the time and place where he died.

    So we're really quibbling about technicalities here.  There's no error in referring to a Pope being transferred out of Rome ... due to war or other serious reason, is we're speaking about a simple relocation, per accidens.  Let's not conflate the prophecies of Palau with that very strange "Third Secret" put out by TIA which does in fact clealy indicate a more essential relocation of the See of Christ's Vicar.
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    Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
    « Reply #34 on: October 25, 2025, 11:16:18 PM »
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    • If you look at the the time when the popes were in Avignon, there were multiple saints that were doing their best, by Divine inspiration, to get the popes to come back to Rome.  I think that for most of history, that's what God wanted.  For the Church to be stable and for the papacy to be associated with Rome (and, by extension) to be associated with the Holy Roman Empire, which is keenly associated with the idea of a Christian rule of Europe.  The devil would like nothing better than to always destroy Catholic traditions, and thus, he always used his minions to get the pope to leave Rome.  Most of the time this was not successful, but there were many other times (apart from Avignon) that the popes were very tempted to leave Rome.

    There are multiple prophecies that the pope will flee rome and die in exile.  But then his successor will be elected right away.  I assume that peace is restored at some point that a return to rome happens, but that is never mentioned.

    There are a few prophecies (but not many) which talk of rome being invaded and destroyed and the papacy moving to a new place.  If that does happen, and as I believe we are living in the end times, I could see that not being as problematic now, since most of history has been written and the purpose of rome/stability has run its course and fulfilled its end.  If the papacy moves cities in the end times, with the rise of antichrist on the horizon, "stability" is the last thing that this period of history is about.  Plus, the Church will have to go underground anyways, to avoid persecutions.
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    Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
    « Reply #35 on: October 26, 2025, 02:24:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: Angelus on October 24, 2025, 07:25:26 PM
     and before two full moons shall have shone in the month of flowers, the rainbow of peace shall appear on the earth.

    That's in 2026
    https://www.fullmoon.info/en/fullmoon-calendar/2026.html
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    Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
    « Reply #36 on: October 26, 2025, 03:40:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: St Giles on October 26, 2025, 02:24:01 PM
    That's in 2026
    https://www.fullmoon.info/en/fullmoon-calendar/2026.html

    That would seem like a very short amount of time for a lot to happen.  Alas, next one isn't until March 2037.  Interestingly, in 2037 there will be a blue moon in January and then another one in March, and no full moon at all in February.
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    Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
    « Reply #37 on: October 26, 2025, 03:49:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 26, 2025, 03:40:03 PM
    That would seem like a very short amount of time for a lot to happen.  Alas, next one isn't until March 2037.  Interestingly, in 2037 there will be a blue moon in January and then another one in March, and no full moon at all in February.
    The month of flowers was what the prophecy said, so May.
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    Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
    « Reply #38 on: October 26, 2025, 04:34:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: St Giles on October 26, 2025, 03:49:25 PM
    The month of flowers was what the prophecy said, so May.

    Identifying May as the month of flowers has been debated, since there had also been an April Blue Moon in 1999, and a lot of commentators indicate that in the more temperate climate in Italy, flowers start coming out in March.  There was a lot of interest in the April 1999 one since there's some other dream from St. John Boco that gave a year 19-- for something significant.

    Of course, a dream could also ... just be a dream, even for a Saint.  AND there could be something symbolic involved as well, such as, for instance, whether the "Venerable Old Man" is an actual person or a symbol for the Papacy.

    Here's just Google's AI about the question:
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    Flowers typically start blooming in Italy in late winter or early spring (March), with the peak blooming season in April and May.

    Of course, "flower" could be symbolic for something also, since I think there's a St. Malachi prophecy about a pope referred to as a "Flower of Flowers".  Or possbily a reference to the Great Monarch?  So ... in the end, God only knows.
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    Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
    « Reply #39 on: October 26, 2025, 04:50:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 25, 2025, 08:58:51 PM
    With regard to possibly "UNBINDING" the Papacy from the See of Rome, when the Barbarians were about to take over Rome, that question was on the minds of Catholics, or what would happen if the entire area of the Diocese of Rome got wiped out, either naturally or by modern weapons, where it became unhabitable over time.  I do think that even if the Pope had to move physical location, he would continue to at least hold the title of Bishop of Rome, not unlike how Cardinals today have titular churches, etc.  One thing of interest is that St. Peter did also found the See of Antioch ... but the key is to whom did he hand that "baton" or authority, where, as he departed from authority, another took his place, and that would be his successor at the time and place where he died.

    So we're really quibbling about technicalities here.  There's no error in referring to a Pope being transferred out of Rome ... due to war or other serious reason, is we're speaking about a simple relocation, per accidens.  Let's not conflate the prophecies of Palau with that very strange "Third Secret" put out by TIA which does in fact clealy indicate a more essential relocation of the See of Christ's Vicar.

    Good commentaries.  I think it's safe to say, that if the Pope either did not actually live in Rome for an extended time, or if Rome were obliterated from the face of the earth, the Pope and his successors would remain "Bishops of Rome", even if only in a titular sense.  That does no violence to the concept of the "Roman Pontiff", yet allows for the theoretical possibility that he would reside somewhere other than Rome, either temporarily or permanently.

    The Orthodox like to point out that Peter was also the bishop of Antioch, which is good as far as it goes, but again, the tradition of the Church has been that the "baton", as you well put it, is passed on through being Bishop of Rome, which is the see Peter held when he died.
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    Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
    « Reply #40 on: October 26, 2025, 05:14:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on October 26, 2025, 04:50:28 PM
    Good commentaries.  I think it's safe to say, that if the Pope either did not actually live in Rome for an extended time, or if Rome were obliterated from the face of the earth, the Pope and his successors would remain "Bishops of Rome", even if only in a titular sense.  That does no violence to the concept of the "Roman Pontiff", yet allows for the theoretical possibility that he would reside somewhere other than Rome, either temporarily or permanently.

    The Orthodox like to point out that Peter was also the bishop of Antioch, which is good as far as it goes, but again, the tradition of the Church has been that the "baton", as you well put it, is passed on through being Bishop of Rome, which is the see Peter held when he died.

    Right, the bishop who took over in Antioch was not his "Successor", i.e. the one who took over his position when he was gone.  Such things happen even in modern times where a many might be appointed the bishop of, say, Cleveland, but then transferred (and promoted) to become the Cardinal Archbishop of Chicago.  Whoever took over after his death/resignation in Chicago would be his successor, not the individual who took over after he left Cleveland.
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    Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
    « Reply #41 on: October 26, 2025, 07:23:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: St Giles on October 26, 2025, 03:49:25 PM
    The month of flowers was what the prophecy said, so May.

    It could also be December 2028. And I think that is more likely.

    Why is December the month of flowers, you might ask?

    Remember the story of Juan Diego and the miracle of the Roses in December. And Our Lady of Guadalupe is the manifestation of Our Lady in Apocalypse 12.
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    Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
    « Reply #42 on: October 26, 2025, 09:26:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Angelus on October 26, 2025, 07:23:30 PM
    It could also be December 2028. And I think that is more likely.

    Why is December the month of flowers, you might ask?

    Remember the story of Juan Diego and the miracle of the Roses in December. And Our Lady of Guadalupe is the manifestation of Our Lady in Apocalypse 12.

    Hmmm.  Interesting.  Just seems to me that May 2026 would be an extremely short amount of time ...

    unless Irlmaier's stuff about WW3 starting in the Fall (after the Budapest assassination), and then lasting 3 (something?) either weeks or months.

    I keep thinking June 2029 (100th annviersary of the request to consecrate Russia) ... but that doesn't appear to line up with any Blue Moons.

    Here's a list of upcoming Blue Moons before about 2050 ...
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    Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
    « Reply #43 on: October 26, 2025, 09:38:50 PM »
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    • Could there also be some punctuation issues ...


    ... before two full moons have shown, in the month of flowers

    vs.

    the full moons showing, both within the month of flowers

    Our Lord made some prophecies about when the moon would not give its light.  So could there be some situation where for a few months the moon would be darkened so that the full moon in May (?) would only have been the second one of the years, so, perhaps, January would be the first full moon, then February - March - April, for three months, the moon would have gone dark, and then in May you'd get the rainbow of peace and the second full moon (having now returned to normal).

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    Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
    « Reply #44 on: October 26, 2025, 10:34:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 26, 2025, 09:38:50 PM
    Our Lord made some prophecies about when the moon would not give its light. 
    I took that to mean that the light of faith would not be reflected (or at least greatly diminished) in the visible living hierarchy.

    The Woman in the desert with moon under her feet is a figure of the Church. 

    St. Hildegard saw the Church beaten and bloodied and giving birth to a hideous monster as if She had been violated and forcibly impregnated.

    Which ties latter with Our Lady's words that "The Church will be eclipsed." and "Rome will lose the faith." 

    And what many Saints and mystics of the 1700s - through early 1900s said about a - false church, ape church, masonic church, tolerantarian church of indifferentism, etc.

    Which has all ready happened after the emergence of the infant church of antichrist - Vatican II and the paganism of the new Cesar's of religious liberty that Fr. Palua was shown.

    So I wouldn't be surprised either if something phenomenal happens eventually in regards to the physical moon as well, final sign of the impending chastisement and the literal fulfillment in every sense of the words of Christ. 

    So, yeah we all just waiting on the Lord.
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