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Offline SkidRowCatholic

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Francisco Palau's Prophecies
« on: October 24, 2025, 10:20:41 AM »
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  • Hi all,

    I have been lurking about for awhile - lots of good stuff here. I cannot find any threads on Francisco Palau the Carmelite Priest from the 1800s. TIA has a series of articles (about 3 - 4) on him and his end of times/crisis prophecies. Those start here:Judgment of the Nations

    Does anyone know more about him? What do you think of his prophecies?

    This one is of particular interest: Bl. Palau: The Infiltration of the Church & Coming of the Restorer

    Within it states:

    “I will abandon Rome. I will raze the pontifical throne and the city will be delivered to the power of demons. It will no longer be the center of the religion of Jesus Christ. It will debase its priests and religious and once again will become the enemy of Christ and His Church. The throne of the Supreme Pontiff will not return to her because it will be transported to another place. …

    “Rome will be severely punished, and that day is near, a day of mourning and grief, a day of blood and fire.”

    I emailed TIA some time ago about a from above: The original prophecy states "I will abandon Rome. I will RAISE (not raze) the political throne and the city will be delivered to the power of the demons." The never replied...

    Anyway, I remember this came up about a stone from the Vatican being placed in the Fatima Cathedral by antipope Wojtyla, but I do not see a strong link here because he was an apostate and Fatima was all given to the heretics/apostates by then anyway.

    basically, it seems Palau was told something like, "I will RAISE up and move the throne of Peter to another place."

    Thoughts?

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
    « Reply #1 on: October 24, 2025, 01:09:00 PM »
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  • Thanks, these are very interesting.  I don't buy that alleged Third Secret TIA put out about the transfer to Fatima, but these are fairly interesting and line up very well with others.

    Not sure where these would take place ... at the end of the world, or in the time preceeding the Great Monarch and Holy Pope.  Is this "Restorer" the same as the Holy Pope?


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    Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
    « Reply #2 on: October 24, 2025, 01:38:31 PM »
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  •   Is this "Restorer" the same as the Holy Pope?
    He was told it would be Elias, but the way he is described is NOT as the OT Elias, but rather a seemingly Holy Pope/Pontiff, and it doesn't mention how he comes to be, but IMO  canonical election by Cardinals doesn't seem to be the mechanism considering the deep rot/damage and satanic control that he prophesied would reign in Rome

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    Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
    « Reply #3 on: October 24, 2025, 01:45:35 PM »
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  • He was told it would be Elias, but the way he is described is NOT as the OT Elias, but rather a seemingly Holy Pope/Pontiff, and it doesn't mention how he comes to be, but IMO  canonical election by Cardinals doesn't seem to be the mechanism considering the deep rot/damage and satanic control that he prophesied would reign in Rome

    Sounded like it was some Moses-like figure also.  Then of course there's the prophecy of Anna Maria Tiagi about Sts. Peter and Paul coming to appoint the Holy Pope, so perhaps what we're talking about is some kind of divine mission, such as St. Paul or Moses had, rather than an ordinary type of leader who just emerges from the grass roots.  That's the way I red Moses- type, where God appoints him directly.  As for Cardinals, they're not really necessary in the ordinary flow of things either, as the remaining Church can use whatever means remains to elect a new Pope, including just acclamation (if the numbers were that small), or an Imperfect Council or whatnot.

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    Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
    « Reply #4 on: October 24, 2025, 02:42:43 PM »
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  • As for Cardinals, they're not really necessary in the ordinary flow of things either, as the remaining Church can use whatever means remains to elect a new Pope, including just acclamation (if the numbers were that small), or an Imperfect Council or whatnot.
    Right. For ourselves it is interesting to discuss if we are actually in (literally on the cusp) of that time now.

    In another place in the video above at 29:00 Palau was told, "Religious Freedom is the paganism of the new Roman Caesars."

    Which I took to be talking about the VII pretenders. This coincides with what the Daimond's have said about them as well. So Palau was definitely proven right about how Rome would be infested with devils who spread the doctrines of Religious Freedom that emanated from VII's official teaching. An antichristic church of Satan that dogmatizes the pagan doctrines of the "new Caesars".


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    Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
    « Reply #5 on: October 24, 2025, 03:01:35 PM »
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  • A quick clip of one of the "new Caesars" of fallen Rome practicing his religious freedom religion of paganism (compliments of the Diamonds).

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    Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
    « Reply #6 on: October 24, 2025, 03:23:22 PM »
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  •  The throne of the Supreme Pontiff will not return to her because it will be transported to another place. …


    Not to take anything away from good Fr Palau, but that begins to start a little Palmarian around the edges.

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    Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
    « Reply #7 on: October 24, 2025, 03:23:25 PM »
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  • Yes, that one face Wojtyla made was borderline terrifying, and, no, it wasn't just a super-quick picture taken at the wrong moment, as the video shows it lasting for some time.  Looks like a demon was in possession of him.


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    Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
    « Reply #8 on: October 24, 2025, 03:24:29 PM »
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  • Not to take anything away from good Fr Palau, but that begins to start a little Palmarian around the edges.

    Well, the Papacy had been in exile at Avignon for quite some time, and not a few prophecies refer to the Pope having to flee Rome ... and the reference you make is anachronistic and reversed, where Palmar sounded rather Palau-ian.  Since prophecy comes first by definition, anyone can try to pretend they meet the conditions, from Cardinal Spellman renting a boat with sheep in it to go up and down the Tiber, to lots of people claiming to be Enoch / Elias or the Great Monarch.  That doesn't meant the intial prophecy is wrong just because some nut-job later tried to conform to it.

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    Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
    « Reply #9 on: October 24, 2025, 03:48:17 PM »
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  • Well, the Papacy had been in exile at Avignon for quite some time, and not a few prophecies refer to the Pope having to flee Rome ... and the reference you make is anachronistic and reversed, where Palmar sounded rather Palau-ian.  Since prophecy comes first by definition, anyone can try to pretend they meet the conditions, from Cardinal Spellman renting a boat with sheep in it to go up and down the Tiber, to lots of people claiming to be Enoch / Elias or the Great Monarch.  That doesn't meant the intial prophecy is wrong just because some nut-job later tried to conform to it.
    Agreed. Clearly the Pomeranians have significantly altered the faith and are heretics/schismatics. :jester:
    (seriously pray for them though)

    Some theologians argue that in the event of say a nuclear blast that destroyed Rome the Pope could have his new See anywhere like London, New York, Texas, etc.

    So, what is worse;

    * if a nuke drops on the Vatican and destroys it? 
    * Rome becomes infested with devils and a new form of paganism based on religious liberty?
    I say the latter. How bout you?


    Not to take anything away from good Fr Palau, but that begins to start a little Palmarian around the edges.
    Same question above to you SM.

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    Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
    « Reply #10 on: October 24, 2025, 04:56:05 PM »
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  • Some theologians argue that in the event of say a nuclear blast that destroyed Rome the Pope could have his new See anywhere like London, New York, Texas, etc.
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    This question has been discussed by theologians, and the most common opinion is that it is tied to the Faith that Rome will always exist, at least in a way that it will be able to have a bishop. The reason for this is that there are dogmatic definitions that say things like, "If anyone deny that someone must be submitted to the Roman Pontiff in order to be saved, let him be anathema." Or something along those lines.

    The problem is that if there is no Rome, then the term "Roman Pontiff" has no meaning. Worse still, if the seat of the Church were moved from Rome to, let's say, New York, then that dogmatic definition would be null and void, because then one would have to submit to the "New York Pontiff" and not the "Roman Pontiff", and dogmatic definitions cannot ever cease to be true.

    And how could the pope continue to be the Roman pontiff if the seat of the Church were moved to New York, and the pope was now the bishop of New York instead of Rome?

    That's how they argue it.


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    Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
    « Reply #11 on: October 24, 2025, 05:07:07 PM »
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  • .

    This question has been discussed by theologians, and the most common opinion is that it is tied to the Faith that Rome will always exist, at least in a way that it will be able to have a bishop. The reason for this is that there are dogmatic definitions that say things like, "If anyone deny that someone must be submitted to the Roman Pontiff in order to be saved, let him be anathema." Or something along those lines.

    The problem is that if there is no Rome, then the term "Roman Pontiff" has no meaning. Worse still, if the seat of the Church were moved from Rome to, let's say, New York, then that dogmatic definition would be null and void, because then one would have to submit to the "New York Pontiff" and not the "Roman Pontiff", and dogmatic definitions cannot ever cease to be true.

    And how could the pope continue to be the Roman pontiff if the seat of the Church were moved to New York, and the pope was now the bishop of New York instead of Rome?

    That's how they argue it.
    But "Roman" is not synonymous with "Vatican City", Or "St. Peter's Basilica".

    He is the "Roman Pontiff" because he is the Bishop of Rome (the diocese).

    This seems obvious to me. Because the city itself can grow and shrink, add & take away church buildings, etc.

    So in theory, as long as some of the city remained habitable. it could qualify as still being a "diocese". Is that right? 

    Or, are you stating the majority of theologians argue that the Churches and buildings of the entity known as "Vatican City" that came about in 1929 should be equated with the whole diocese of Rome regardless of any extenuating circuмstances?

    Get my drift? Thanks for the feedback.

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    Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
    « Reply #12 on: October 24, 2025, 05:09:29 PM »
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  • Yes, the papacy resided at Avignon for years, but that is not the same thing. He remained the bishop of Rome even while residing at Avignon. The pope can live in a different part of the world from his diocese, but he can't become the bishop of another diocese.

    In other words, the rulership of the Church is connected to the bishop of the see of Rome, and not any other see. The bishop of Rome is the bishop who is in charge of the Church. And that cannot be changed, even by a pope, according to theologians. This would contradict the definitions that describe submission to the Roman pontiff as being necessary for salvation. If the pope could choose to make the see of Waukegan, Illinois, the ruling see of the Church, such that it is the bishop of Waukegan who is now the head of the Church, then the definitions would have to be changed.

    It really has nothing to do with where the pope happens to reside. It has to do with which diocese he is the bishop of.

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    Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
    « Reply #13 on: October 24, 2025, 05:12:03 PM »
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  • But Roman is not synonymous with "Vatican City", Or "St. Peter's Basilica.
     
    He is the "Roman Pontiff" because he is the Bishop of Rome (the diocese).

    This seems obvious to me. Because the city itself can grow and shrink, and and take away church buildings, etc.

    So in theory, as long as some of the city remained habitable it could qualify as still being a "diocese". Is that right? Or, are you stating the theologians argue that the Churches and buildings of the entity known as "Vatican City" that came about in 1929 should be equated with the whole diocese of Rome regardless of any extenuating circuмstances?

    Get my drift? Thanks for the feedback.
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    Yes, I agree with what you are saying. I don't think I really understand your distinction between Rome and the Vatican City, though. The Vatican City is in Rome, and the diocese of Rome surely includes the city as well as the Vatican City, and probably a lot of the area around Rome as well.

    But the pope is the bishop of the diocese of Rome, not the bishop of the diocese of Sydney, for example.

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    Re: Francisco Palau's Prophecies
    « Reply #14 on: October 24, 2025, 05:19:01 PM »
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  • Yes, I agree with what you are saying. I don't think I really understand your distinction between Rome and the Vatican City, though.
    Vatican City and it's "boundaries" did not exist "legally" (according to Masons anyway) until 1929.

    Unless I am mistaken, before the "treaty" was signed, the entire city was considered "Vatican City" for all intents and purposes - if you get my meaning.

    The point is, there seems to be no specific square inch of the diocese of Rome that is tied to the Roman Pontificate in its essence, "Hey this is the holy spot that God said he would never destroy, etc.", "The literal Chair of Peter will never be destroyed" (you know the one they just dusted off and Bobbyboy prayed with the Orothos at back on the feast of St. Peter), etc.

    Plus, some few theologians did disagree, do you happen to know what was the level of the opinion? this would be a good indicator of if Palau was deceived or not (if he disregarded/contradicted the certain opinion of the theologians).

    What did the theologians teach back then in the 1870s right around the time of Vatican I? I am assuming it was that the Pope is the Bishop of Rome by Divine Mandate (versus ecclesiastical) was the common opinion BUT not the certain one. 

    I am not aware of his writings being censored by the Holy Office, but am looking for more info if anyone knows more.