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Offline 2Vermont

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Francis was concerned the interview could be misunderstood
« on: November 01, 2013, 06:15:46 PM »
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  • http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-was-concerned-interview-could-be-misunderstood-writer-says/

    According to a Catholic writer in Italy, Pope Francis was aware that his reported words in an Oct. 1 interview published in “La Repubblica” could be misunderstood, and took measures concerning this.

    Antonio Socci, a Catholic columnist for the Italian newspaper “Libero,” wrote Oct. 27 that after the publication of the interview, Pope Francis was fully aware of the risk of misunderstanding of some of his words, particularly those on conscience.

    In the interview, Eugenio Scalfari, founder and former director of “La Repubblica,” quoted Pope Francis as saying that “the conscience is autonomous, and everyone must obey his conscience.”

    Pope Francis reportedly reiterated his phrase, adding that “everyone has his own idea of good and evil and must choose to follow the good and fight evil as he conceives them. That would be enough to make the world a better place.”

    These sentences led to a certain amount of criticism for the Roman Pontiff.

    The Pope's knowledge that he could be misunderstood is why – according to Socci – Fr. Federico Lombardi, director of the Holy See press office, was “told to maintain that the text of the interview had not been revised by Pope Francis and that it was penned by Scalfari after an informal chat.”

    Fr. Lombardi also underlined that “the interview is not part of Pope Francis' Magisterium.”

    Despite this, “L’Osservatore Romano,” the Vatican newspaper, re-published the interview in its Oct. 2 edition, and it is included among Pope Francis' speeches on the Vatican's website.

    According to Socci, Pope Francis “regretted” the publication of the interview in “L’Osservatore Romano” and “complained of it to the director, Gian Maria Vian, in Assisi on Oct. 4.”

    Video from Vatican TV shows that when Pope Francis went to visit the tomb of St. Francis of Assisi, he stopped by and had a one-minute chat with Vian.

    According to Socci, “that is probably the moment when Pope Francis complained to Vian.”

    It is impossible to catch something of the conversation through the video, because of the background noise.

    In fact, only two people were close enough to Pope Francis to listen to the conversation between him and Vian: journalist Aldo Cazzullo, and vice-director of the Holy See press office, Fr. Ciro Benedettini.

    Socci confirmed to CNA Oct. 28 that he “learned about the Pope’s regret by two different sources.”

    He further stated that “critics of Pope Francis for his view on conscience are double-dealing.”

    “Would you really believe Pope Francis thinks that everybody can have his own idea of good and evil and thus justify what he does?” he asked.

    “Is it really possible Pope Francis has an idea that would make being Christians, or believing in God, into nonsense?”

    Socci underscored that “Pope Francis' teachings on corruption, confession, the danger of the devil, all prove that Pope Francis’ view is orthodox, and that he had not watered down the teachings of the Church, and particularly the doctrines of the Church.”
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


    Offline 2Vermont

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    Francis was concerned the interview could be misunderstood
    « Reply #1 on: November 02, 2013, 07:03:54 AM »
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  • And yet this interview is posted on the Vatican website.

    Yes, I'm sure Francis is deeply concerned.

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


    Offline LoverOfTradition

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    Francis was concerned the interview could be misunderstood
    « Reply #2 on: November 02, 2013, 03:29:09 PM »
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  • Right, and now good, faithful Catholics are in a state of confusion. He better be concerned.

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    Francis was concerned the interview could be misunderstood
    « Reply #3 on: November 02, 2013, 03:31:53 PM »
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    Right, and now good, faithful Catholics are in a state of confusion. He better be concerned.


    Have you been holding your breath for a clarification/explanation?

    I haven't.

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Francis was concerned the interview could be misunderstood
    « Reply #4 on: November 02, 2013, 03:35:06 PM »
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    Right, and now good, faithful Catholics are in a state of confusion. He better be concerned.


    Have you been holding your breath for a clarification/explanation?

    I haven't.



    No, I haven't. We're past all that now. Anything is possible.


    Offline TKGS

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    Francis was concerned the interview could be misunderstood
    « Reply #5 on: November 02, 2013, 05:45:59 PM »
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    Francis was concerned the interview could be misunderstood...


    ...but it turned out that his words were crystal clear and fully understood by anyone who read them.

    No worries.

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    Francis was concerned the interview could be misunderstood
    « Reply #6 on: November 02, 2013, 08:08:08 PM »
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  • 2Vermont, I think the article you linked to was mistranslated.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Francis was concerned the interview could be misunderstood
    « Reply #7 on: November 02, 2013, 10:35:08 PM »
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  • If he's so concerned, let him issue some direct, unambiguous statements compatible with the Faith. Yeah, right.
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine


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    Francis was concerned the interview could be misunderstood
    « Reply #8 on: November 02, 2013, 11:49:53 PM »
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    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-was-concerned-interview-could-be-misunderstood-writer-says/

    [/i]Pope Francis reportedly reiterated his phrase, adding that “everyone has his own idea of good and evil and must choose to follow the good and fight evil as he conceives them. That would be enough to make the world a better place.”

    These sentences led to a certain amount of criticism for the Roman Pontiff.

    The Pope's knowledge that he could be misunderstood is why – according to Socci – Fr. Federico Lombardi, director of the Holy See press office, was “told to maintain that the text of the interview had not been revised by Pope Francis and that it was penned by Scalfari after an informal chat.”


    You see, the liberation theologists don't want Catholics thinking they have any right to follow their conscience. That would be a disaster, to worship God instead of to feed the poor and overthrow governments that disenfranchise its citizens.

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    Fr. Lombardi also underlined that “the interview is not part of Pope Francis' Magisterium.”
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    Dear God, Frank has his own Magesterium?! Uh, well that explains things.
    Legem credendi, lex statuit supplicandi

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    Francis was concerned the interview could be misunderstood
    « Reply #9 on: November 03, 2013, 07:51:15 AM »
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    2Vermont, I think the article you linked to was mistranslated.

    How do you know?  What part looks mistranslated?  
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Francis was concerned the interview could be misunderstood
    « Reply #10 on: November 03, 2013, 07:52:37 AM »
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    2Vermont, I think the article you linked to was mistranslated.

    How do you know?  What part looks mistranslated?  


    It's a joke.    :smirk:
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    Francis was concerned the interview could be misunderstood
    « Reply #11 on: November 03, 2013, 08:11:05 AM »
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  • Quote from: Mithrandylan
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    2Vermont, I think the article you linked to was mistranslated.

    How do you know?  What part looks mistranslated?  


    It's a joke.    :smirk:



     :facepalm:
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)