Author Topic: Francis utters another heresy (Read 2879 times)

Incredulous · « **on:** September 28, 2016, 10:08:05 PM »

Another example of Bp. Fellay purposefully ignoring and denying who he's dealing with:

Belief in "extraterrestrials" is a condemned heresy.
See Denzinger Denzinger link

It was Condemned by Paul II in the letter "cuм sicut," Nov. 14, 1459:

717c (3) "That God created another world than this one, and that in its time many other men and women existed and that consequently Adam was not the first man."

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Pope Francis presides over a meeting involving schools, colleges and clergy from Rome in the Paul VI audience hall at the Vatican EPA

Pope Francis has said that he would be willing to baptise aliens if they came to the Vatican, asking “who are we to close doors” to anyone - even Martians.

In a homily yesterday dedicated to the concepts of acceptance and inclusion, Francis recalled a Bible story about the conversion of the first pagans to Christianity, according to reports on Vatican Radio. He said Catholicism was a church of “open doors”, and that it was up to Christians to accept the Holy Spirit however “unthinkable” and “unimaginable” it appeared.

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Pope Francis Talks About Aliens; Says He Would Welcome Martians to Receive Baptism

Pope Francis spent some time during Mass at the Vatican on Monday talking about alien life forms, and suggested that Martians, should they ever visit Earth, would be welcome to be baptized as well.

"If – for example – tomorrow an expedition of Martians came, and some of them came to us, here ... Martians, right? Green, with that long nose and big ears, just like children paint them ... And one says, 'But I want to be baptized!' What would happen?" the Roman Catholic Church leader theorized, as reported by Vatican Radio.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #1 on:** September 28, 2016, 10:28:51 PM »

Martians and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs--- oh, my!

Geremia · « **Reply #2 on:** September 28, 2016, 10:42:28 PM »

Did Francis deny that Adam is the father of these ETs?
I don't see how he proclaimed heresy here.

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #3 on:** September 28, 2016, 11:07:21 PM »

I thought I remember reading somewhere that Pope St. Zosimus also condemned the same kind of heresy during the time of the Pelagian heresy, but I had not been able to find the quote. It used to be on the older version of the website of catholicism.org several years ago. Perhaps it was the above quote of Pope Pius II instead that I may have read years ago. Not to veer off topic, but I saved a wine bottle that actually has a painting with Pius II presenting a bride and groom to each other.

mw2016 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 28, 2016, 11:38:18 PM »

"Who is he to judge?"

"Who is he to close doors?"

Who is he to be Pope, really?

Incredulous · « **Reply #5 on:** September 29, 2016, 07:10:32 AM »

Quote from: Geremia

Did Francis deny that Adam is the father of these ETs?
I don't see how he proclaimed heresy here.

Adam flew a spaceship? :thinking:

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #6 on:** September 29, 2016, 08:50:22 AM »

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Adam flew a spaceship? :thinking:

Yes. Here's why.

The bible says "There is nothing new under the sun."
Adam was the first man and had the highest intelligence ever.
Ergo, Adam flew the Millenium Falcon because he invented star wars.

It's simple logic, Watson. :detective:

Geremia · « **Reply #7 on:** September 29, 2016, 09:09:38 AM »

St. Thomas Aquinas, in Summa Theologica III q. 3 a. 7, "Whether one Divine Person can assume two human natures?," leaves open the possibility that Christ could incarnate in other human (intelligent) natures, although St. Thomas thinks it is improbable:

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On Whether One Divine Person is Able to Assume Two Human Natures: That which is able [to do something] in one case and not in another has its power limited to one. The power of a divine person is, however, infinite, and it ought not be said that a divine person had assumed one human nature is such a manner that another could not be assumed to its personhood, for that is impossible, because an uncreated thing cannot be comprehended by a created thing. It is manifest therefore that whether we consider the divine person according to power, which is the principle of the union, or according to its personhood which is the term of the union, it must be said that the divine person besides a human nature which it has assumed, is able to assume another numerically different human nature.

Read the whole The Thomist article: "Aquinas on Intelligent Extra-Terrestrial Life."

See Fr. Funes, S.J.'s interview "The Extraterrestrial Is My Brother."

ihsv · « **Reply #8 on:** September 29, 2016, 09:13:31 AM »

Quote from: Geremia

Did Francis deny that Adam is the father of these ETs?
I don't see how he proclaimed heresy here.

Quote from: Who am I to Judge

"If – for example – tomorrow an expedition of Martians came, and some of them came to us, here ... Martians, right? Green, with that long nose and big ears, just like children paint them ... And one says, 'But I want to be baptized!' What would happen?"

Geremia · « **Reply #9 on:** September 29, 2016, 09:34:06 AM »

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Quote from: Who am I to Judge
"If – for example – tomorrow an expedition of Martians came, and some of them came to us, here ... Martians, right? Green, with that long nose and big ears, just like children paint them ... And one says, 'But I want to be baptized!' What would happen?"

Why wouldn't someone who can say "But I want to be baptized!" not be a human (i.e., a descendant of Adam)?

MyrnaM · « **Reply #10 on:** September 29, 2016, 09:42:20 AM »

Quote from: Geremia

Quote from: ihsv
Quote from: Who am I to Judge
"If – for example – tomorrow an expedition of Martians came, and some of them came to us, here ... Martians, right? Green, with that long nose and big ears, just like children paint them ... And one says, 'But I want to be baptized!' What would happen?"
Why wouldn't someone who can say "But I want to be baptized!" not be a human (i.e., a descendant of Adam)?

If they were a descendant of Adam, did God go on Mars also and be crucified to redeem them? Did He, choose a Mother on Mars also to be the Mother of God, so are there several Mother's of God on different planets, or was Mary re-born on each planet. I wonder now how many queens of Heaven are there?

Francis is a heretic and therefore not a pope.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #11 on:** September 29, 2016, 09:56:45 AM »

I would also like to clarify that Adam did NOT invent 'star trek', which comes straight from satan.

klasG4e · « **Reply #12 on:** September 29, 2016, 10:13:00 AM »

Incredulous

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Pope Francis has said that he would be willing to baptise aliens if they came to the Vatican, asking “who are we to close doors” to anyone - even Martians.

Unless they were Jєωιѕн martians in which case according to Francis there would be no point to it.

Geremia · « **Reply #13 on:** September 29, 2016, 10:16:11 AM »

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I would also like to clarify that Adam did NOT invent 'star trek', which comes straight from satan.

Although Gene Roddenberry was an ex-Baptoid secular humanist (atheist), he did think Catholicism was a beautiful religion.

Geremia · « **Reply #14 on:** September 29, 2016, 10:19:59 AM »

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If they were a descendant of Adam, did God go on Mars also and be crucified to redeem them?

His one and only crucifixion on earth is more than sufficient to redeem all the descendants of Adam, even those who may not live on earth.

I wonder, before the conquistadors' missionary work, if people made your same arguments regarding the "savages" in the "New World." I'm sure they asked: Are they descendants of Adam? Are they intelligent? Do they need baptism? Etc.