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« on: December 03, 2013, 06:54:01 PM »
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  • http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/12/03/pope-francis-unexpected-hannukah-gift/

    Pope Francis' unexpected Hanukkah gift

    By Rabbi Abraham Cooper
    Published December 03, 2013 | FoxNews.com

    Pope Francis was probably not looking at the Jewish calendar when he released his new apostolic exhortation, "Evangelii Gaudium," (The Joy of the Gospel), it was a serendipitous Chanukah gift, that brought joy to the Jewish world.

    The document is full of warmth to Jews and Judaism. It speaks of the growing friendship with the Jewish people, and regret for the history of Christian persecution of Jews.

    Of Judaism he wrote: “We cannot consider Judaism as a foreign religion; nor do we include the Jews among those called to turn from idols and to serve the true God.” It confirms the continued contribution of Divine truth that comes through the “treasures of wisdom which flow from their encounter with his word.”

    Pope Francis understands that theology matters. It produces catchwords that galvanize millions. Even in the 21st century, a subtle theological point uttered in a local mosque can cascade into araging deluge of violence.

    The pontiff knows that for centuries, European Jewry was battered by theological cudgels. Early Church figures like Ignatius of Antioch, Justin Martyr and John Chrysostom translated theology into hatred of Jews on the local level, and directly fed the auto-da-fes, the Crusades, and the pogroms that destroyed hundreds of thousands of Jewish lives.

    The two theological positions most damaging to Jews were replacement theology and deicide. The former maintains that the Jews of the Bible have been “replaced” by the New Israel, meaning Christians. All covenants and promises in the Bible no longer apply to Jews; they subsequently have no claim to land or history. The latter position holds all Jews responsible for the crime of killing God through the crucifixion of Jesus.

    Both of these positions mostly disappeared after the Nazi Holocaust, as Christians came to grips with the contribution that Church-inspired anti-Semitism made to Hitler’s extermination machinery.

    Catholics scrapped both replacement theology and deicide through the historical teachings of Nostra Aetate a half-century ago.

    Protestants for the most part rejected deicide, affirming that Jesus died, by the Will of G-d, for all sinners. They stopped talking supersessionism, and opted to build bridges of understanding with the Jewish people.

    Recently, however, Palestinians and their Christian supporters have resurrected the old theological poison. Frustrated by their inability to defeat Israel through conventional warfare or terrorism, they launched a new front attacking the very legitimacy of the Jewish State.

    Support for Palestinians, they claim, is theologically mandated; support for Zionism -- the Jewish people’s return to an ancestral homeland is denounced and denied. The Jewish people’s covenant with G-d was canceled long ago and today’s Jews have no right to reclaim their past or prepare for their future.

    One outgrowth of this is a campaign to strip the Holy Land of all Jewish connection, going so far as to deny that there ever was a Temple in Jerusalem, or that Rachel’s Tomb has Jewish significance.

    It is in vogue to deny that contemporary Jews are even related to those of the Bible, claiming that they are all recent converts having no connection to those of antiquity.

    In one of his Easter messages, Rev. Naim Ateek of the Sabeel Ecumenical Liberation Theological Center declared “Jesus is on the cross again with thousands of crucified Palestinians around him. It only takes people of insight to see the hundreds of thousands of crosses throughout the land, Palestinian men, women, and children being crucified. Palestine has become one huge Golgotha. The Israeli government crucifixion system is operating daily.”

    Ateek thereby turned Jesus into a Palestinian and the Palestinians into Jesus, with Jews once more practicing deicide.

    The KairosPalestine Document has become the iconic cry of those seeking to rewrite history and denial of any Jewish stake in the Holy Land – all the time citing Scripture. This smacks of de facto replacement theology.

    Some advocates of the anti-Israel Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) Movement, cite the arguments of replacement theology as proof that today’s Jews could not possibly claim that their return to the Land was consistent with any Divine promise.

    The author of "Evangelii Gaudium" is certainly aware of the importance placed by all of Israel’s enemies on downplaying – and denying – a connection of today’s Jews to those of the Bible. Nonetheless, the language of “Evangelii Gaudium” is emphatic:

    God continues to work among the people of the Old Covenant and to bring forth treasures of wisdom which flow from their encounter with his word. For this reason, the Church also is enriched when she receives the values of Judaism.

    In a time of need, Pope Francis stepped up to underscore the un-severable bond between Christians and Jews, and lauding the continued closeness of Jews to the Divine Will.

    What gift might us Jews present to our Christian friends?

    When Rabbi Marvin Hier led a delegation from the Simon Wiesenthal Center (SWC) to the Vatican a few weeks ago, he told the pope that Jews are his allies in protecting the rights of persecuted Christians and other religious minorities, just as he is their partner in fighting anti-Semitism.

    The SWC has taken the struggle on behalf of an estimated 190 million endangered Christians across the globe to world leaders and the media.

    For those living in daily fear of attack, this Christmas and New Year’s holidays are times of little joy -- only great stress and danger.

    The Jewish community’s support may not be the greatest Christmas present Pope Francis  receives this year, but it will be among the most heartfelt.

    He’ll feel the love directly when he visits Israel early in 2014.  And we can only hope and pray that Pope Francis' words and deeds will contribute to a new commitment by believers and atheists alike to protect religious minorities.   :smoke-pot: :smoke-pot:
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic

    Offline Memento

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    « Reply #1 on: December 03, 2013, 06:58:23 PM »
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  • Woo, woo! And will everyone meet at the Temple Mount?


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    « Reply #2 on: December 03, 2013, 08:05:06 PM »
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  • "The medium is the message."

    Canadian communications "futurist", Marshal, McLuhan is vindicated, once again.

    The Zionist FAUX News regime fiddles. The prot/neocon sheeple follow.

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    « Reply #3 on: December 03, 2013, 10:32:32 PM »
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    Woo, woo! And will everyone meet at the Temple Mount?

    According to the Acts of the Apostles the first Catholics used to meet every day in the Temple.  

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    « Reply #4 on: December 03, 2013, 11:05:28 PM »
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  • Poche,

    Not to let you down, but that was during beginnings of the Church on earth and when the liturgy was in its most primitive stage.

    The Jews of today no longer have the Old Covenant, for it was revoked by the supersession of the New Covenant which was prophesied by Jeremias and will last until the end of time.
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)


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    « Reply #5 on: December 03, 2013, 11:09:01 PM »
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    Rabbi Abraham Cooper needs to work on English grammar:  

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    What gift might us Jews present to our Christian friends?



    Would he say, "Us present a gift to our Christian friends?"

    Or, would he say, "We present a gift to our Christian friends."

    Do we say that we do things, or do us say that us do things?



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     And we can only hope and pray that Pope Francis' words and deeds will contribute to a new commitment by believers and atheists alike to protect religious minorities.



    It sounds like it's trad Catholics who are quickly becoming a religious minority.  How much 'protection' will the trad Catholics get from these people when their numbers shrink down to minority numbers?


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    « Reply #6 on: December 03, 2013, 11:43:08 PM »
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  • When the Roman Army destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 A.D.
    The whole city and Temple was destroyed to the last stick and stone.
    The so-called walling wailing wall below the Al Aqsa Mosque is actually
    the remains of a Roman Fort that was built a few centuries afterward.
    See Brother Nathanael video on rense.com

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    « Reply #7 on: December 03, 2013, 11:48:52 PM »
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  • Here's another little history on Jewish practices: Masada, where the Israeli armored devision takes its oath of allegiance was seen as a heroic struggle but in fact it was a Jonestown-style massacre where Jewish zealots who refused to submit to the Romans killed themselves and almost all of their wives and children.

    And yet in America and Israel (a state that was founded on terrorist tactics, see the King David Hotel incident) we see suicide bombers of Islamic warriors as "fanatic" and "full of hate."


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    « Reply #8 on: December 04, 2013, 08:20:11 AM »
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  • My thoughts were running in this direction here for Francis' visit to Israel in 2014, which would surely disrupt what little peace there is in Palestine and in the Arab countries or maybe even a fast rebuilding of the Temple as is shown to be the desire of many Jews. http://www.templeinstitute.org

    Will God eventually permit the Temple to be completed or will He destroy any efforts as He did during Julian the Apostate's reign? If mankind's sins are great enough He may allow a scourging like we have never seen before. You can bet when that time happens worshipping God will not be tolerated unless one's god is Mammon. 


    There seems to be an escalation of tyranny happening in the secular and religious institutions. What kind of timetable are they on?

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    « Reply #9 on: December 04, 2013, 09:03:19 AM »
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    Early Church figures like Ignatius of Antioch, Justin Martyr and John Chrysostom translated theology into hatred of Jews on the local level,


    All Saints, Fathers of the Church, and St. John Chrysostom is one of the  four Great Doctors of the Eastern Church!

    Let me see, who should I follow, "Pope" Francis, or those three saints? It's a no brainer.

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    « Reply #10 on: December 04, 2013, 09:09:36 AM »
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    When the Roman Army destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 A.D.
    The whole city and Temple was destroyed to the last stick and stone.
    The so-called walling wailing wall below the Al Aqsa Mosque is actually
    the remains of a Roman Fort that was built a few centuries afterward.
    See Brother Nathanael video on rense.com




    'I shifted to a parallel universe, overcame lyme disease, and became a millionaire.  Now it's your turn!"


    Wow.  That's where you get your information.  I'm stunned.  




    Doesn't he know, Candida is old news!  It's all abour gluten, now...




    Will it get me hair like that?  




    Let's all meet back here in a month and see.







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    « Reply #11 on: December 04, 2013, 03:43:37 PM »
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  • He got it from Brother Nathanael, not Jeff Rense. Stop trolling.

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    « Reply #12 on: December 04, 2013, 04:55:10 PM »
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  • And this is a recommendation for Br. Nathanael....how?  

    Oh right, this is the same Br. Nathanael who believe Jews are ugly because of the deicidal curse!  How could I forget!



    I guess these guys somehow escaped the curse?








    Yes...it makes so much sense now.  

    Honestly, I think Rense is probably a good deal more respectable that Be. Nathanael.  

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    « Reply #13 on: December 04, 2013, 06:08:24 PM »
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  • Oh, I just looked him up again...he's not a real monk..the branch of Orthodoxy he claims membership in has disavowed him and sacked the Bishop he claimed to know.  

    Awesome.

    So, instead of the source of the information being a 'super-food huckster' offering 'candida cures', it's a guy impersonating an Orthodox monk.

    Excellent.  Really excellent.  


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    « Reply #14 on: December 04, 2013, 06:20:02 PM »
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  • Quote from: TheKnightVigilant
    He got it from Brother Nathanael, not Jeff Rense. Stop trolling.


    And Brother Nathanael got it from Ernest L. Martin.

     

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