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Yup...that's right...And Frankie is a heretic!

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/kathyschiffer/2014/06/pope-francis-rigid-traditionalists-and-cafeteria-catholics-arent-really-catholics/

Pope Francis: Rigid Traditionalists and Cafeteria Catholics “Aren’t Really Catholics”
June 7, 2014 By Kathy Schiffer

Half-hearted Catholics–those who believe only some of the Church’s teachings–aren’t really Catholics at all.

“They may call themselves Catholic,” said Pope Francis at his morning Mass at the Domus Sancta Marthae, “but they have one foot out the door.”
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The Holy Father drew his inspiration from the Gospel reading for June 5, taken from John 17:20-26, and Jesus’ prayer that there would be unity, not divisions and conflict, among his followers.  He singled out three groups of people whose half-hearted acceptance of faith drew into question their membership in the Church:

“Uniformists” who believe that everyone in the Church should be just like them.  ”They are rigid!” said the Pope.  “They do not have that freedom the Holy Spirit gives,” and they confuse what Jesus preached with their “own doctrine of uniformity.”  Jesus never wanted the church to be so rigid, Pope Francis said.  Such people “call themselves Catholics, but their rigid attitude distances them from the Church.”  The Pope likened the “uniformists” to the early Christians who demanded that pagans become Hebrews before they could enter the Church, when this was not what God intended.

“Alternativists” are those who hold alternative teachings and doctrines.  They, according to Pope Francis, have “a partial belonging to the church. These, too, have one foot outside the church.  They rent the church,” not recognizing that its teaching is based on the preaching of Jesus and the apostolic tradition.  The “alternativists” are today’s “Cafeteria Catholics” who accept some teachings, but not the teachings which they find inconvenient or which they don’t really understand.

“Businessists” are those who use the Church “for personal profit.”  Pope Francis noted that they call themselves Christians, but don’t enter into the heart of the Church.  “We have all seen them in parish or diocesan communities and religious congregations,” said Francis, “they are some of the benefactors of the Church.  They strut around proud of being benefactors; but in the end, under the table, they make their deals.”  
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The Church, Pope Francis taught, is made up of people with a variety of differences and gifts.  If one wants to belong to it, he or she must be motivated by love and must enter with “your whole heart.”  The Pope explained the correct approach to the Church, according to L’Osservatore Romano:

But Christ’s message is quite different: to all these types, the Pontiff continued, Jesus says that “the Church isn’t rigid, it’s free! In the Church there are many charisms, there’s great diversity in people and in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Jesus says: in the Church you must give your heart to the Gospel, to what the Lord has taught, and never have an alternative for yourself! The Lord tells us: if you want to enter the Church”, do so “for love, to give all, all your heart and not for doing business for your benefit”. Indeed, “the Church is not a house for rent” for all those who “want to do as they please”; on the contrary, “it is a home to live in”.

And to those who object that “it’s not easy”, to keep both feet in the Church, because “there are so many temptations”, the Rome’s bishop recalled that he who “creates unity in the Church, unity in the diversity, in the freedom, in the generosity” which is the Holy Spirit, whose specific “duty” is to actually create “harmony in the Church”. Because “unity in the Church is harmony. Everyone — he added with a joke — we’re different, we’re not equal, thank God”, otherwise “it would be hell!” But “we are all called to be docile to the Holy Spirit”. And this is exactly the virtue that will save us from being rigid, from being “alternativists” and from being “advantagists” or swindlers in the Church: docility to the Holy Spirit, he who “builds the Church”.

Pope Francis called for a docility which transforms the Church from a house “for rent,” into a house in which everyone feels at home.  ”I’m at home,” he said, “because the Holy Spirit gives me this grace.”

In the Prayers of the Faithful, Pope Francis prayed for the grace of unity in the Church: to be brothers and sisters in unity, feeling right at home.  He prayed for “unity in the diversity of everyone… but free diversity,” without imposing conditions.

In his closing invocation, he prayed that we would create this harmony in our communities, parishes, dioceses, and movements.

He reiterated the message from his first Mass in Jordan, when he said:  
“The mission of the Holy Spirit… is to beget harmony–He himself is harmony–and to create peace in different situations and between different people.”
 


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    Half-hearted Catholics–those who believe only some of the Church’s teachings–aren’t really Catholics at all.

    “They may call themselves Catholic,” said Pope Francis at his morning Mass at the Domus Sancta Marthae, “but they have one foot out the door.


    and then

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    “Uniformists” who believe that everyone in the Church should be just like them.  ”They are rigid!” said the Pope.


    So which is it please?

    [/quote]“Alternativists” are those who hold alternative teachings and doctrines.  They, according to Pope Francis, have “a partial belonging to the church. These, too, have one foot outside the church.
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    all I'm saying seems to be alot hokey pokey going on.

    “Businessists” are those who use the Church “for personal profit.”  Pope Francis noted that they call themselves Christians, but don’t enter into the heart of the Church.  “We have all seen them in parish or diocesan communities and religious congregations,” said Francis, “they are some of the benefactors of the Church.  They strut around proud of being benefactors; but in the end, under the table, they make their deals.
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    is it really wise to bite the hand that feeds you???

    But Christ’s message is quite different: to all these types, the Pope
    continued, Jesus says that “the Church isn’t rigid, it’s free! In the Church there are many charisms, there’s great diversity in people and in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Jesus says: in the Church you must give your heart to the Gospel, to what the Lord has taught, and never have an alternative for yourself! The Lord tells us: if you want to enter the Church”, do so “for love, to give all, all your heart and not for doing business for your benefit”. Indeed, “the Church is not a house for rent” for all those who “want to do as they please”; on the contrary, “it is a home to live in”.
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    how very new world protestant this statement this is.... as a temporary protestant  I am here to say there were churches that preach holiness and it is rigid!


    And to those who object that “it’s not easy”, to keep both feet in the Church, because “there are so many temptations”, the Rome’s bishop recalled that he who “creates unity in the Church, unity in the diversity, in the freedom, in the generosity” which is the Holy Spirit, whose specific “duty” is to actually create “harmony in the Church”. Because “unity in the Church is harmony.[/quote]

    actually it is a piece of cake to keep both feet in this church

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    Pope Francis called for a docility which transforms the Church from a house “for rent,” into a house in which everyone feels at home.  ”I’m at home,” he said, “because the Holy Spirit gives me this grace


    I seem to recall Holy Scripture that Jesus basically promised the exact opposite would happen.

    on the worldly side.... would a loving parent just let anyone abide in there home when they don't believe respect or want to change the rules of the home they were invited to come in to


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    In the Prayers of the Faithful, Pope Francis prayed for the grace of unity in the Church: to be brothers and sisters in unity, feeling right at home.  He prayed for “unity in the diversity of everyone… but free diversity,” without imposing conditions.



    and there is the negating of the whole shabang!   no conditions....no real unity...no real faith.

    pray pray pray
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    « Reply #2 on: June 09, 2014, 03:32:27 PM »
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  • Not only does Francis show more and more bad will every time he speaks, but he shows that he's intellectually challenged.  Not only do his novel terms make no sense and are very poorly defined, but they overlap and contradict one another.  Not to mention that the "Alternativists" do not have "one foot out the door"; these are in fact not Catholics at all.  If you reject ONE dogmatic teaching of the Church you reject them all because you reject the formal motive upon which they are all founded.

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    « Reply #3 on: June 09, 2014, 08:16:21 PM »
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  • Listening to Pope Francis speak has indeed become an act of Penance.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #4 on: June 09, 2014, 08:26:12 PM »
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  • The man is a disgrace, kept in power only by the stupidity of the novus ordites, and the plottings and schemings of the freemasons the atheists and the lavender mafia.

    Down with you Francis! :really-mad2: :heretic:


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    « Reply #5 on: June 09, 2014, 08:36:48 PM »
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    The man is a disgrace


    This man may be as well a punishment from God, indeed. This is the Pope that Catholics deserve for becoming apostates as a whole. We must really repent, pray, and do penance.

    ‘Return O ye revolting children ... and I will give you pastors according to My own heart’. (Jer. 3:14,15)
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #6 on: June 09, 2014, 10:27:56 PM »
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  • Half-hearted Catholics–those who believe only some of the Church’s teachings–aren’t really Catholics at all.

    I agree with the above.

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  • He's an idiot. Seriously. The Humble One has a very high opinion of himself, but in reality he's just not very smart. I remember, when he was elected, that Novus Ordo Watch called him "The Dumb Ox." I thought that was harsh, but now I realize they were exactly right.
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine


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  • Quote from: Charlemagne
    He's an idiot. Seriously. The Humble One has a very high opinion of himself, but in reality he's just not very smart. I remember, when he was elected, that Novus Ordo Watch called him "The Dumb Ox." I thought that was harsh, but now I realize they were exactly right.

    Be careful, there was another student who was called "the dumb ox." He turned out to be the smartest theologian of all time, St Thomas Aquinus.

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    « Reply #9 on: June 10, 2014, 05:23:04 AM »
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    He's an idiot. Seriously. The Humble One has a very high opinion of himself, but in reality he's just not very smart. I remember, when he was elected, that Novus Ordo Watch called him "The Dumb Ox." I thought that was harsh, but now I realize they were exactly right.

    Be careful, there was another student who was called "the dumb ox." He turned out to be the smartest theologian of all time, St Thomas Aquinus.


    How does one answer that? Help  :shocked:

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    Half-hearted Catholics–those who believe only some of the Church’s teachings–aren’t really Catholics at all.


    poche is right about this, but Bergoglio must have been looking into a mirror when he said this because he was clearly speaking of himself.  In fact, it seems that every time he condemns someone with a pejorative (e.g., Pelagian, superficial Christians, elitist,  Sloth-diseased acidic Christians, Smarmy idolator priest, etc.) he's more describing himself rather than those he intends to insult.


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    He's an idiot. Seriously. The Humble One has a very high opinion of himself, but in reality he's just not very smart. I remember, when he was elected, that Novus Ordo Watch called him "The Dumb Ox." I thought that was harsh, but now I realize they were exactly right.

    Be careful, there was another student who was called "the dumb ox." He turned out to be the smartest theologian of all time, St Thomas Aquinus.


    Tell ya what, poche: Look me up when Bergoglio is declared a Doctor of the Church. Of course, he just might meet the qualifications of a Doctor by Newchurch standards.
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine

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    « Reply #12 on: June 10, 2014, 10:32:57 AM »
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    The man is a disgrace


    This man may be as well a punishment from God, indeed. This is the Pope that Catholics deserve for becoming apostates as a whole. We must really repent, pray, and do penance.

    ‘Return O ye revolting children ... and I will give you pastors according to My own heart’. (Jer. 3:14,15)


    We need this reminder, Cantarella.

    Mark my words, he is not stupid, he is further setting the stage.  This is not the first anti-traditional statement made by this man, nor will it be the last.  And each statement increases in mockery of tradition, or criticism.  The ole 'Us vs Them' and we are the enemy.   Taken to it's logical conclusion, what does that tell us about Bergoglio's master?  

    TKGS is correct - this latest statement is projection, but intended to continue to isolate those who hold the Faith.  
    And SG hit the nail -  the ʝʊdɛօ masonic forces are using their tried and true tactic of 'isolate and destroy'.   It's so ridiculously obvious what he is doing.  

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    Mark my words, he is not stupid, he is further setting the stage.  .  


    Yes. The modernists are in power. Long are the days there were just a small network trying to infiltrate the Vatican, now the modernists are in command of everything, with the Pope himself being one, they are all over Rome like a giant spider web, they don't even need to hide anything anymore.

    They are indeed further setting the state for what it is to come. A methodic, gradual, ruthless annihilation of the Catholic Faith and morals. What is worse, it is a systematic frog boiling effect. By the time people realize of what is happening it is already too late. The stage has already been set up, the minds have already been slowly brainwashed. One by one, all Catholic dogmas have been compromised like a deck of cards falling over. The enemies of the Church have complete power.  God help us all!
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    The man is a disgrace


    This man may be as well a punishment from God, indeed. This is the Pope that Catholics deserve for becoming apostates as a whole. We must really repent, pray, and do penance.

    ‘Return O ye revolting children ... and I will give you pastors according to My own heart’. (Jer. 3:14,15)


    We need this reminder, Cantarella.

    Mark my words, he is not stupid, he is further setting the stage.  This is not the first anti-traditional statement made by this man, nor will it be the last.  And each statement increases in mockery of tradition, or criticism.  The ole 'Us vs Them' and we are the enemy.   Taken to it's logical conclusion, what does that tell us about Bergoglio's master?  

    TKGS is correct - this latest statement is projection, but intended to continue to isolate those who hold the Faith.  
    And SG hit the nail -  the ʝʊdɛօ masonic forces are using their tried and true tactic of 'isolate and destroy'.   It's so ridiculously obvious what he is doing.  


    I really can't agree with any of this whole "we are the enemy" line of reasoning.  

    The revolution in the church was perpetrated by men who had pre-planned it for decades before we were born so there's that.  If we are wise to the fact that they are Christ-deniers, do we think Our Lord wants us to deny Him by following them?  I think not.

    Then there is the whole quoting from the Old Testament - guys, look up those examples.  People who are following false shepherds perish along with the false shepherds.  People who embrace the falsehood die miserably.  The two dudes who held the door open for Daniel and his two pals to be thrown in the oven were killed by the flames.  Guys, we perish if we follow falsehood.

    We perish if we follow falsehood.  

    The blind, being led by the blind, both fall into the ditch.

    This whole line of reasoning that these conciliar popes are punishment from Our Lord sounds like a big excuse to just keep going with the crowd.

    Stop mixing and matching quotes from the Old Testament and New Testament as if they were interchangeable - they are not.  They are to be studied in context.