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    Francis tells Protestants: We all have the Holy Spirit within us
    « Reply #1 on: October 28, 2014, 04:04:34 PM »
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  • Only Catholics in state of grace can have the Holy Ghost within them...more masonic milk & cookies talk....
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


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    « Reply #2 on: October 28, 2014, 11:47:02 PM »
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    Only Catholics in state of grace can have the Holy Ghost within them...more masonic milk & cookies talk....

    Not according to St Theresa of Avila. All baptized people have the indwelliing of the Holy Spirit. She compared the soul to a diamond. When the diamond is clean the light of the Holy Spirit shines through. It is when we are in mortal sin that this diamond is covered in filth. It is not the fault of the diamond and the Holy Spirit doesn't cease to exist. It is still there. It is unable to shine through because of the filth of mortal sin that we cover it with.  

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    « Reply #3 on: October 29, 2014, 09:19:07 AM »
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  • poche, you're just a heretic and need to be banned.  I can't take your posts anymore.

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    « Reply #4 on: October 29, 2014, 09:25:38 AM »
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    Only Catholics in state of grace can have the Holy Ghost within them...more masonic milk & cookies talk....

    Not according to St Theresa of Avila. All baptized people have the indwelliing of the Holy Spirit. She compared the soul to a diamond. When the diamond is clean the light of the Holy Spirit shines through. It is when we are in mortal sin that this diamond is covered in filth. It is not the fault of the diamond and the Holy Spirit doesn't cease to exist. It is still there. It is unable to shine through because of the filth of mortal sin that we cover it with.  


    You don't even know Catechism 101.  Among other things, please stop referring to the Holy Spirit as "It"; the Holy Spirit is a PERSON.  You don't even know that much.

    No, the Holy Trinity ceases to dwell in the souls of those in mortal sin.  While the Holy Spirit can still act upon the souls with graces that could impel towards the restoration of sanctifying grace, the life of God no longer exists in such a soul.  In no way does mortal sin merely "cover up" or "hide" the life of God within the soul.  Shame on you for spouting such heretical drivel.


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    Francis tells Protestants: We all have the Holy Spirit within us
    « Reply #5 on: October 30, 2014, 10:29:56 AM »
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  • Interesting how Bergoglio notes the obvious and how everyone laughs at the truth!

    Bergoglio recalls telling a Lutheran "Bishop" what courage he has to come here, because in another time period they would burn them alive!

    This is so heretical, I won't even go over it. He has confirmed in about 50 different occasions to clearly reject the Unity of the Church. All of this of course is contained in Vatican II, and none of his teachings are contained within Holy writ or magisterial teaching.
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    « Reply #6 on: October 30, 2014, 11:24:09 PM »
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    Only Catholics in state of grace can have the Holy Ghost within them...more masonic milk & cookies talk....

    Not according to St Theresa of Avila. All baptized people have the indwelliing of the Holy Spirit. She compared the soul to a diamond. When the diamond is clean the light of the Holy Spirit shines through. It is when we are in mortal sin that this diamond is covered in filth. It is not the fault of the diamond and the Holy Spirit doesn't cease to exist. It is still there. It is unable to shine through because of the filth of mortal sin that we cover it with.  


    You don't even know Catechism 101.  Among other things, please stop referring to the Holy Spirit as "It"; the Holy Spirit is a PERSON.  You don't even know that much.

    No, the Holy Trinity ceases to dwell in the souls of those in mortal sin.  While the Holy Spirit can still act upon the souls with graces that could impel towards the restoration of sanctifying grace, the life of God no longer exists in such a soul.  In no way does mortal sin merely "cover up" or "hide" the life of God within the soul.  Shame on you for spouting such heretical drivel.

    Your disagreement is not with me it is with St Theresa of Avila and the Interior Castle.

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    « Reply #7 on: October 30, 2014, 11:31:19 PM »
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  • You don't even know Catechism 101.  Among other things, please stop referring to the Holy Spirit as "It"; the Holy Spirit is a PERSON.  You don't even know that much.

    You are right. I should have said "He."


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    « Reply #8 on: October 30, 2014, 11:41:32 PM »
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    Only Catholics in state of grace can have the Holy Ghost within them...more masonic milk & cookies talk....

    Not according to St Theresa of Avila. All baptized people have the indwelliing of the Holy Spirit. She compared the soul to a diamond. When the diamond is clean the light of the Holy Spirit shines through. It is when we are in mortal sin that this diamond is covered in filth. It is not the fault of the diamond and the Holy Spirit doesn't cease to exist. It is still there. It is unable to shine through because of the filth of mortal sin that we cover it with.  


    You don't even know Catechism 101.  Among other things, please stop referring to the Holy Spirit as "It"; the Holy Spirit is a PERSON.  You don't even know that much.

    No, the Holy Trinity ceases to dwell in the souls of those in mortal sin.  While the Holy Spirit can still act upon the souls with graces that could impel towards the restoration of sanctifying grace, the life of God no longer exists in such a soul.  In no way does mortal sin merely "cover up" or "hide" the life of God within the soul.  Shame on you for spouting such heretical drivel.

    this "heretical drivel" was taken directly from the "Interior Castle."

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    « Reply #9 on: October 31, 2014, 11:10:35 AM »
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    Interesting how Bergoglio notes the obvious and how everyone laughs at the truth!

    Bergoglio recalls telling a Lutheran "Bishop" what courage he has to come here, because in another time period they would burn them alive!

    This is so heretical, I won't even go over it. He has confirmed in about 50 different occasions to clearly reject the Unity of the Church. All of this of course is contained in Vatican II, and none of his teachings are contained within Holy writ or magisterial teaching.


    "Frank" is another (old European) word for "Mason"

    Funny 'coincidence' that!

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    "Humanity" is the term used to designate the essential principle of Masonry. [30] It occurs in a Masonic address of 1747. [31] Other watchwords are "tolerance", "unsectarian", "cosmopolitan". The Christian character of the society under the operative régime of former centuries, says Hughan [32] "was exchanged for the unsectarian regulations which were to include under its wing the votaries of all sects, without respect to their differences of colour or clime, provided the simple conditions were observed of morality, mature age and an approved ballot". [33] In Continental Masonry the same notions are expressed by the words "neutrality", "laïcité", "Confessionslosigkeit", etc. In the text of 1738 particular stress is laid on "freedom of conscience" and the universal, non-Christian character of Masonry is emphasized. The Mason is called a "true Noahida", i.e. an adherent of the pre-Christian and pre-Mosaic system of undivided mankind. The "3 articles of Noah" are most probably "the duties towards God, the neighbour and himself" inculcated from older times in the "Charge to a newly made Brother". They might also refer to "brotherly love, relief and truth", generally with "religion" styled the "great cement" of the fraternity and called by Mackey [34] "the motto of our order and the characteristic of our profession".

    Greatest of them all was I.W. von Goethe. Well may we be proud of such a man" [177] etc. German Masons [178] claim for Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ a considerable part in the splendid development of German literature in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. These claims, however, when critically examined, prove to be either groundless or exaggerated. English Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, being then at a low intellectual and moral level and retrograding towards orthodoxy, was not qualified to be the originator or a leading factor in the freethinking "Culture of Enlightenment." German Masonry, then dominated by the Swedish system and the Strict Observance and intellectually and morally degenerated, as Masonic historians themselves avow, was in no better plight. In truth the leading literary men of the epoch, Lessing, Goethe, Herder, etc. were cruelly disabused and disappointed by what they saw and experienced in their lodge life. [179] Lessing spoke with contempt of the lodge life; Goethe characterized the Masonic associations and doings as "fools and rogues"; Herder wrote, 9 January, 1786, to the celebrated philologist Bro. Heyne; "I bear a deadly hatred to all secret societies and, as a result of my experience, both within their innermost circles and outside, I wish them all to the devil. For persistent domineering intrigues and the spirit of cabal creep beneath the cover".

    "The Masonic federation is to be judged not so much by the acts and things it has accomplished, as by the whole of its principles and purposes."


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    « Reply #10 on: October 31, 2014, 12:35:11 PM »
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    Only Catholics in state of grace can have the Holy Ghost within them...more masonic milk & cookies talk....

    Not according to St Theresa of Avila. All baptized people have the indwelliing of the Holy Spirit. She compared the soul to a diamond. When the diamond is clean the light of the Holy Spirit shines through. It is when we are in mortal sin that this diamond is covered in filth. It is not the fault of the diamond and the Holy Spirit doesn't cease to exist. It is still there. It is unable to shine through because of the filth of mortal sin that we cover it with.  


    You don't even know Catechism 101.  Among other things, please stop referring to the Holy Spirit as "It"; the Holy Spirit is a PERSON.  You don't even know that much.

    No, the Holy Trinity ceases to dwell in the souls of those in mortal sin.  While the Holy Spirit can still act upon the souls with graces that could impel towards the restoration of sanctifying grace, the life of God no longer exists in such a soul.  In no way does mortal sin merely "cover up" or "hide" the life of God within the soul.  Shame on you for spouting such heretical drivel.

    this "heretical drivel" was taken directly from the "Interior Castle."


    Poche,

    Would you post the section for us, please.


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    « Reply #11 on: October 31, 2014, 12:59:37 PM »
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  • Protestants use Francis and his words to bash Catholics all the time. His "who am I to judge"  was a big win for them.   His recent comments on evolution is another example of Protestants taking advantage of his words for their own gain.   It's tough trying to convert Protestants when they throw Francis' words in your face.

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    Protestants use Francis and his words to bash Catholics all the time. His "who am I to judge"  was a big win for them.   His recent comments on evolution is another example of Protestants taking advantage of his words for their own gain.   It's tough trying to convert Protestants when they throw Francis' words in your face.


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    Only Catholics in state of grace can have the Holy Ghost within them...more masonic milk & cookies talk....

    Not according to St Theresa of Avila. All baptized people have the indwelliing of the Holy Spirit. She compared the soul to a diamond. When the diamond is clean the light of the Holy Spirit shines through. It is when we are in mortal sin that this diamond is covered in filth. It is not the fault of the diamond and the Holy Spirit doesn't cease to exist. It is still there. It is unable to shine through because of the filth of mortal sin that we cover it with.  


    You don't even know Catechism 101.  Among other things, please stop referring to the Holy Spirit as "It"; the Holy Spirit is a PERSON.  You don't even know that much.

    No, the Holy Trinity ceases to dwell in the souls of those in mortal sin.  While the Holy Spirit can still act upon the souls with graces that could impel towards the restoration of sanctifying grace, the life of God no longer exists in such a soul.  In no way does mortal sin merely "cover up" or "hide" the life of God within the soul.  Shame on you for spouting such heretical drivel.

    this "heretical drivel" was taken directly from the "Interior Castle."


    Poche,

    Would you post the section for us, please.


    CHAPTER II.
    DESCRIBES THE HIDEOUS APPEARANCE OF A SOUL IN MORTAL SIN AS REVEALED BY GOD TO SOME ONE: OFFERS A FEW REMARKS ON SELF-KNOWLEDGE: THIS CHAPTER IS USEFUL AS IT CONTAINS SOME POINTS REQUIRING ATTENTION. AN EXPLANATION OF THE MANSIONS.

    1. Effects of mortal sin. 2. It prevents the soul's gaining merit. 3. The soul compared to a tree. 4. Disorder of the soul in mortal sin. 5. Vision of a sinful soul. 6. Profit of realizing these lessons. 7. Prayer. 8. Beauty of the Castle. 9. Self-knowledge 10. Gained by meditating on the divine perfections. 11. Advantages of such meditation. 12. Christ should be our model. 13. The devil entraps beginners. 14. Our strength must come from God. 15. Sin blinds the soul. 16. Worldliness. 17. The world in the cloister. 18. Assaults of the devil. 19. Examples of the devil's arts. 20. Perfection consists in charity. 21. Indiscreet zeal. 22. Danger of detraction.

    1. BEFORE going farther, I wish you to consider the state to which mortal sin 1 brings this magnificent and beautiful castle, this pearl of the East, this tree of life, planted beside the living waters of life 2



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    which symbolize God Himself. No night can be so dark, no gloom nor blackness can compare to its obscurity. Suffice it to say that the sun in the centre of the soul, which gave it such splendour and beauty, is totally eclipsed, though the spirit is as fitted to enjoy God's presence as is the crystal to reflect the sun. 3

    2. While the soul is in mortal sin nothing can profit it; none of its good works merit an eternal reward, since they do not proceed from God as their first principle, and by Him alone is our virtue real virtue. The soul separated from Him is no longer pleasing in His eyes, because by committing a mortal sin, instead of seeking to please God, it prefers to gratify the devil, the prince of darkness, and so comes to share his blackness. I knew a person to whom our Lord revealed the result of a mortal sin 4 and who said she thought no one who realized its effects could ever commit it, but would suffer unimaginable torments to avoid it. This vision made her very desirous for all to grasp this truth, therefore I beg you, my daughters, to pray fervently to God for sinners, who live in blindness and do deeds of darkness.

    3. In a state of grace the soul is like a well of limpid water, from which flow only streams of clearest crystal. Its works are pleasing both to God and man, rising from the River of Life, beside which it is rooted like a tree. Otherwise it would produce neither leaves nor fruit, for the waters of grace

    nourish it, keep it from withering from drought, and cause it to bring forth good fruit. But the soul by sinning withdraws from this stream of life, and growing beside a black and fetid pool, can produce nothing but disgusting and unwholesome fruit.

    Notice that it is not the fountain and the brilliant sun which lose their splendour and beauty, for they are placed in the very centre of the soul and cannot be deprived of their lustre. The soul is like a crystal in the sunshine over which a thick black cloth has been thrown, so that however brightly the sun may shine the crystal can never reflect it.

    4. O souls, redeemed by the Blood of Jesus Christ, take these things to heart; have mercy on yourselves! If you realize your pitiable condition, how can you refrain from trying to remove the darkness from the crystal of your souls? Remember, if death should take you now, you would never again enjoy the light of this Sun. O Jesus! how sad a sight must be a soul deprived of light! What a terrible state the chambers of this castle are in! How disorderly must be the senses--the inhabitants of the castle--the powers of the soul its magistrates, governors, and stewards--blind and uncontrolled as they are! In short, as the soil in which the tree is now planted is in the devil's domain, how can its fruit be anything but evil? A man of great spiritual insight once told me he was not so much surprised at such a soul's wicked deeds as astonished that it did not commit even worse sins. May God in His mercy keep us from such great evil, for nothing in this life merits the name of evil in comparison with

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    this, which delivers us over to evil which is eternal.

    5. This is what we must dread and pray God to deliver us from, for we are weakness itself, and unless He guards the city, in vain shall we labour to defend it. 5 The person of whom I spoke 6 said that she had learnt two things from the vision granted her. The first was, a great fear of offending God; seeing how terrible were the consequences, she constantly begged Him to preserve her from falling into sin. Secondly, it was a mirror to teach her humility, for she saw that nothing good in us springs from ourselves but comes from the waters of grace near which the soul remains like a tree planted beside a river, and from that Sun which gives life to our works. She realized this so vividly that on seeing any good deed performed by herself or by other people she at once turned to God as to its fountain head--without whose help she knew well we can do nothing--and broke out into songs of praise to Him. Generally she forgot all about herself and only thought of God when she did any meritorious action.

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