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He only sits in choir & gives the sermon - regular priest does everything else.

Get up and run for the door as if the building was on fire (genuflecting 1st of course).
2 (8%)
Freeze in a mindless stupor and remain immobilized by fear.
0 (0%)
Jump up and denounce him as a heretic and apostate and storm out.
6 (24%)
Remain calm, pray, and carry on as if nothing happened.
3 (12%)
After getting over the shock, offer a quick prayer for his conversion and quietly make your exit.
8 (32%)
Other (please explain)
6 (24%)

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Offline Yeti

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Re: Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2024, 01:33:54 PM »
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  • The scenario is a bit problematic because it is impossible for most of the members of this forum.

    It's kind of like asking, "What if you were praying at a mosque at the imam got up and started saying we have to kill America because it is the great satan. What would you do?" The question can't really be answered because we would never be praying at a mosque to begin with. :facepalm:

    In the same way, we would never be at a church where the scenario you describe could ever happen.

    Offline SimpleMan

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    Re: Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
    « Reply #16 on: November 16, 2024, 03:20:59 PM »
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  • So, with regard to the longer St. Michael prayer ... let me ask others first before answering myself ... what is striking about this pasage here?

    That passage is striking on so many levels.

    For those hyper-papalist, "best Pope ever" acolytes of Francis, it would make their heads explode, or rather, they might say it refers to a scenario that doesn't exist in the here and now.  Some might go so far as to say that it refers to a so-called clericalism and triumphalism of Leo's time that Vatican II did away with.  There are many who, as a practical matter, imagine that "the Church began in 1962", that, aside from a highly romanticized "early Church", we are just now finally getting it right.


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
    « Reply #17 on: November 16, 2024, 04:00:56 PM »
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  • Indeed it's striking, and, as the story goes, he wrote it down immediately after his vision ... so it probably reflects the content of what he saw.  Now, some claim that the vision never happened, but it appears that at least one or two credible sources reported it.

    In any case, what I wanted to call out is that the text is in the PAST TENSE, as if it has already happend.  Except that it hadn't yet.  So that speaks more and more to how he saw something in his vision that had happened in the future, namely, the replacement of the See of Rome with some throne of abominable impiety.

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    These most crafty enemies have filled and inebriated with gall and bitterness the Church, the spouse of the immaculate Lamb, and have laid impious hands on her most sacred possessions. In the Holy Place itself, where the See of Holy Peter and the Chair of Truth has been set up as the light of the world, they have raised the throne of their abominable impiety, with the iniquitous design that when the Pastor has been struck, the sheep may be scattered.

    Apart from the fact that it obviously talks about raising up some throne to displace or replace the Chair of Truth so as to strike the Pastor and scatter the sheep (undboutedly the Bogus Ordo "Popes") ... he's referring to that in the past tense, except that it hadn't happened yet.  One would use this tense from the perspective of having seen a vision of the future when it had already happened.

    He also calls out that the Chair of truth is the light of the world, indicating that he saw this light eclipsed by this impious counter-throne.

    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
    « Reply #18 on: November 16, 2024, 06:54:27 PM »
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  • Catholic Translations
    Douay-Rheims Bible
    Be subject therefore to God, but resist the devil, and he will fly from you.
    May God bless you and keep you

    Offline josh987654321

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    Re: Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
    « Reply #19 on: November 20, 2024, 10:30:25 PM »
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  • You are already there saying your prayers - big commotion in the nave, lots of movement - next thing you notice is a guy in wheelchair getting pushed up the center aisle by a small entourage who looks just like pope Francis. Fantastical I know, but instructive for ourselves and others. What do you do?    :confused:

    Depends how I felt on the day, but it would probably be one of these 3 -

    1) Walk out.

    2) Stay there and just ignore him with perhaps the chance to get close and tell him something.

    3) If I get a chance to get close, I'd say something like "I know what you did to Pope Benedict XVI" not yell it out or anything, just so he could hear it and I could see his reaction.

    God Bless


    Offline josh987654321

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    Re: Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
    « Reply #20 on: November 21, 2024, 07:46:04 AM »
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  • Have you ever considered that maybe the SVs and BPs could both be right (I will clarify)?

    But I suppose I should preface that question with this one; Do you think the pope can be a manifest heretic and/or teach heresy from the chair of St. Peter?

    God bless you too

    SVs? BPs?

    No, I do not think the Pope can be a manifest heretic and/or teach heresy from the chair... but then getting clarification on this becomes increasingly dubious, who can judge the Pope? Furthermore, the idea that heresy can invalidate a Pope is also erroneous, for it should not be possible in the first place.

    Either they were validly elected or they were not, either the gates of hell have prevailed or they have not, it's as simple as that IMO... can't have it both ways.

    Therefore, I reject Bergoglio not because of his heresies, but because he is a usurper and antipope as whatever one thinks of Pope Benedict XVI, we had a valid Pope, who was clearly deposed and usurped, I think all the 'retirements' need to be looked at including the usurpation of St Pope Celestine V by the not yet recognized, but antipope nonetheless, Boniface VIII... which sent the Church into the Avignon Papacy with multiple antipopes.

    Absolutely nothing about Pope Benedict XVI's so called 'resignation' was right... not even St Pope Celestine V that Pope Benedict XVI invoked tried to retain the name and garments and St Pope Celestine V himself was imprisoned by his 'successor' Boniface VIII... nothing says legit like imprisoning ones predecessor out of fear.

    Next year Victoria Nuland would be in Ukraine conducting violent coup there too, as they did throughout the world, Obama's administration were on a roll and Wikileaks exposed them targeting the Church.

    USA Deep State needs to go down first... then Bergoglio, although I would tread very carefully when it comes to the Church, lest I interrupt the Divine Plan, nevertheless, the Bergoglio and his friends need to be exposed for what they did to Pope Benedict XVI and Bergoglio recognized as antipope and usurper, I'd also like to see if anymore can be found in regards to the USA Church Committee and the USA Deep State's involvement in Vatican II (who also murdered RFK and JFK around the same time period) and hopefully a future Pope can go about trying to right some of those wrongs.

    When you mention Bergoglio in a wheelchair, I think of his 'suicidal denial' over abortion tainted toxic jabs (primary purpose to deny our religious objections) among so much more (who am I to judge right at the crucial moment), some nonsense about walls with Clinton's rabidly pro-abortion, pro-gender theory, pro war agenda etc... I'm reminded of this.



    That's why they gave the green light to strike into Russia with western long range weapons, because they know their time is short now, they really are dumb though, for now they have made enemies on both sides of the aisle, for Trump and his administration will hopefully and rightly not look to kindly on them trying to provoke WWIII before they take office.

    "Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."

    God Bless

    Offline Seraphina

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    Re: Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
    « Reply #21 on: November 21, 2024, 08:47:18 AM »
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  • Pope Francis would never show up at a Mass that any of us attend, so it's irrelevant.

    You might as well ask what we would do if little green men from mars showed up at mass. What would the point of such a question be?
    Walk up to him after Mass and say, “Take me to your leader.”  
    If he has himself wheeled to the Tabernacle or not should answer all I need to know.

    Offline josh987654321

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    Re: Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
    « Reply #22 on: November 22, 2024, 05:57:45 AM »
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  • Thoughts?

    Do you believe in such a thing as Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood? 

    These things do not invalidate the necessity of Baptism... those who can get Baptized and choose not to are obviously more culpable than those who have not been Baptized through no fault of their own. 

    In terms of infants in invincible ignorance with no chance... it's pretty outrageous to use the term 'hell' (mainly because it's misunderstood)... rather 'limbo' makes more sense and neither could one exclude the possibility of salvation either, just as those like Moses and St Joseph didn't get Baptized and would wait until Christ died on the Cross before entering the beatific vision, hence the descended into hell bit in the creed.

    It's certainly not a hill to die on and in no way invalidates the necessity of Baptism IMO. I'd say Limbo but I would not exclude the mercy of God either and I certainly don't think they are forever incapable of the beatific vision. I would not presume nor despair. 

    God Bless 


    Offline josh987654321

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    Re: Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
    « Reply #23 on: November 23, 2024, 07:51:23 PM »
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  • I know about the fewness of the saved, such as only Lot and his family in the city of Sodom and even his wife turns back into a statue of salt and there are many such examples in the scriptures, but there is also the 10 righteous who would spare the whole city.

    That being said, there are two ways to destroy people, the first is to presume (which is where reminding people of the fewness of the saved in times past is very necessary to humble them, those who think most people go to heaven or that hell is empty are in a very dangerous position) but there is also despair (which that is not what needs to be said to those who are despairing, for even Abraham was as good as dead himself and his wife Sarah beyond the age of bearing children) so both examples exist. Do not presume and do not despair, both are just as important.

    In terms of infants, what about those from a faithful Catholic family who have a miscarriage or something like that? You really think they are forever incapable of the beatific vision or worse yet, in hell? I think that's ridiculous, and by saying that it does not mean we diminish baptism, like I said, there is a big difference between someone choosing not to when they can and someone who had no chance to.

    "Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."

    God Bless

    Offline josh987654321

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    Re: Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
    « Reply #24 on: November 23, 2024, 08:21:10 PM »
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  • Furthermore, even with abortion, so not only are they murdered by their own mother who is supposed to love them the most, but you want to damn the child to hell too? That would be ridiculous IMO.

    Of course, that does not then mean someone can have an abortion because they think their child would go straight to heaven because even if their child were covered under the mercy of God, the mother and abortionist most certainly are not by committing such an act.

    You could apply the same thing to infant baptism, baptize them and then murder them and you're making Saints? It'd be very sick and messed up logic to think like that.

    God Bless


    Offline Clovis Oregano

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    Re: Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
    « Reply #25 on: November 23, 2024, 08:52:16 PM »
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  • Other: physically attack him on sight. :fryingpan:


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    Re: Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
    « Reply #26 on: December 04, 2024, 02:01:58 PM »
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  • I think it would be pretty shocking to see Francis at House Mass
     May the Anomoean be confounded, the Jew covered with shame, the faithful exultant in the dogmas of truth, and the Lord glorified, the Lord to Whom be glory and power, world without end. Amen. -St. Basil at the end of Hexaemeron.

    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
    « Reply #27 on: December 04, 2024, 09:45:51 PM »
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  • Why did you choose a photo of Adrien Arcand, the "Canadian Führer," as your avatar?

    Your profile caught my eye because your chosen screen name is so close to Lucis, as in Lucis Trust, formerly known as the Lucifer Publishing Company.

    Just asking because CathInfo has lately been invaded by trolls, some of whom have been previously banned.

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    Re: Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
    « Reply #28 on: December 04, 2024, 10:52:00 PM »
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  • Being a Spanish speaker, I'd probably be asked to translate for him. :jester: So I'm screwed!
    Christ is Risen! He is risen indeed