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Offline crossbro

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Francis says half of marriages invalid.
« on: May 20, 2014, 09:36:40 AM »
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    The pope is said to have speculated that 50 percent of Catholic marriages are invalid, which is to say they were somehow deficient in form (how the sacrament was conducted) or in intent (the couple didn't intend to marry as the church teaches) and thus are eligible for annulments.


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    the pope has raised the profile of another German theologian, Cardinal Walter Kasper, who for 30 years has been tub-thumping for marriage reform, saying it is a kind of mercy. He holds that while civil remarriages cannot be recognized by the church, asking the civilly remarried to abandon their second marriage or be excluded from communion is untenable


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    The practical effect will be a new perceived "right" for the divorced to approach the altar, and much acrimony for any pastor who objects in any case, not only from his parishioners, but from his bishop as well.


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    Francis says half of marriages invalid.
    « Reply #1 on: May 20, 2014, 09:39:29 AM »
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  • It seems ironic that Francis would pull the 50% number out of thin air.

    That seems to be the same number as the divorce rate.


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    Francis says half of marriages invalid.
    « Reply #2 on: May 20, 2014, 09:40:54 AM »
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  • To be fair, these statements are only attributed to Francis by Kasper the Friendly Heretic.

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    « Reply #3 on: May 20, 2014, 09:59:59 AM »
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  • The libtard media is assailing his comments as being insulting to "believers," when in reality this is just to condition the "Faithful" to accept more "annulments." Francis and Kasper make quite a tag team.
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine

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    « Reply #4 on: May 20, 2014, 10:13:27 AM »
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  • Any statement made by Pope Francis will be promulgated by the enemies of the Church in different ways as to push for an agenda and undermine the Catholic papacy and the Holy Roman Church.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


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    « Reply #5 on: May 20, 2014, 10:23:48 AM »
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    Any statement made by Pope Francis will be promulgated by the enemies of the Church in different ways as to push for an agenda and undermine the Catholic papacy and the Holy Roman Church.


    He has his own agenda, and I think he uses the media as useful idiots to his and his handlers' advantage. Francis IS the enemy!
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine

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    « Reply #6 on: May 20, 2014, 10:27:48 AM »
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    Any statement made by Pope Francis will be promulgated by the enemies of the Church in different ways as to push for an agenda and undermine the Catholic papacy and the Holy Roman Church.


    Actions speak louder than words.

    There is an arch-bishop in Germany who says he is going to violate and openly allow and encourage those remarried and denied annulment to receive Communion even though Jesus stated Himself they are adulterers.

    So, where is the action ? When you say "enemies of the Church" I have Francis on the top of my list.

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    « Reply #7 on: May 20, 2014, 10:36:31 AM »
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  • Francis exchanged the Gospel of Mark to the gospel of Marx.  BEWARE!
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    « Reply #8 on: May 20, 2014, 10:36:36 AM »
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    Francis says half of marriages invalid., Slippery slope to divorce rites


    If 50% of marriages are invalid, then, what I'd like to know is, why would it not seem reasonable for 50% of the annulments to be invalid, too?  

    Surely, once they've instituted 'divorce rites' then at LEAST 50% of THOSE will be invalid!  

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    « Reply #9 on: May 20, 2014, 10:44:54 AM »
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  • I honestly think that a lot of the logic going into giving "divorce rights" is paving the way to:

    giving the wink and nod to msm sodomite couples.

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    Francis says half of marriages invalid.
    « Reply #10 on: May 20, 2014, 11:17:17 AM »
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    Francis says half of marriages invalid., Slippery slope to divorce rites


    If 50% of marriages are invalid, then, what I'd like to know is, why would it not seem reasonable for 50% of the annulments to be invalid, too?  

    Surely, once they've instituted 'divorce rites' then at LEAST 50% of THOSE will be invalid!  


    Surely you jest!  Clearly, only marriages that fail were invalid in the first place while a marriage that does not fail is the only truly verifiable proof that the marriage was valid in the first place.  Surely any thinking Modernist can see this.

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    I honestly think that a lot of the logic going into giving "divorce rights" is paving the way to:

    giving the wink and nod to msm sodomite couples.


    I don't know what you mean by "msm", but the preparatory docuмent on the Vatican's website specifically says that these are "concerns" which the October bishops' meeting is going to address:

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    ...the widespread practice of cohabitation, which does not lead to marriage, and sometimes even excludes the idea of it, to same-sex unions between persons, who are, not infrequently, permitted to adopt children. The many new situations requiring the Church’s attention and pastoral care include: mixed or inter-religious marriages; the single-parent family; polygamy; marriages with the consequent problem of a dowry, sometimes understood as the purchase price of the woman; the caste system; a culture of non-commitment and a presumption that the marriage bond can be temporary; forms of feminism hostile to the Church; migration and the reformulation of the very concept of the family; relativist pluralism in the conception of marriage; the influence of the media on popular culture in its understanding of marriage and family life; underlying trends of thought in legislative proposals which devalue the idea of permanence and faithfulness in the marriage covenant; an increase in the practice of surrogate motherhood (wombs for hire); and new interpretations of what is considered a human right. Within the Church, faith in the sacramentality of marriage and the healing power of the Sacrament of Penance show signs of weakness or total abandonment.


    I did notice that the introduction of the docuмent states that there will be a two-part meeting.  The meeting this October is to "define the “status quaestionis” and to collect the bishops’ experiences and proposals in proclaiming and living the Gospel of the Family in a credible manner" while there will be a second meeting in 2015 that will actually establish the "working guidelines in the pastoral care of the person and the family."

    I'm not exactly sure what the meeting this October will do, but it may not actually provide for the destruction of the doctrines governing marriage.  That may not come until 2015.  Meanwhile, the docuмent in October will certainly indicate that is what is coming and the whole Conciliar establishment will act as if it has already happened in advance of the 2015 meeting.


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    « Reply #11 on: May 20, 2014, 11:41:02 AM »
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  • MSM- Male Sex Male, the term used by the CDC (Center for Disease Control) when they tab rates of HIV and STDs.

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    « Reply #12 on: May 20, 2014, 11:46:11 AM »
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    I honestly think that a lot of the logic going into giving "divorce rights" is paving the way to:

    giving the wink and nod to msm sodomite couples.


    Not surprise here. Everything is pointed at that direction nowadays. A total anihilation of marriage, the family, and the home. Truly and sadly, a most degenerate diabolical disorientation.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.