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Offline bookofbirds

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Re: Francis saw his demons
« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2025, 12:45:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on April 23, 2025, 12:07:49 AM
    I agree with Pax ... you're in absolutely no position to make such assertions.  So you saw him in the 60 seconds that he appeared on the balcony on Easter Sunday and that provided enough data to arrive at such conclusions?  Nearly 24 hours passed between then and when he finally expired, and much can happen between God and a soul within mere seconds, much less in 24 hours.  While such dramatic changes in the final moments are exceedingly rare, with God all things are possible.  I don't recall whether it was St. John Vianney or Padre Pio who mentioned that an individual persumed lost due to ѕυιcιdє had actually repented during those final seconds.  And if God did not provide efficacious grace for such a conversion before his final moments, perhaps it was because God willed to allow the damage he was doing to the Church, and also the fact that Berogoglio had been unwittingly unmasking the true nature of the Conciliar Church that Wojtyla and Ratzinger had done a great job obscuring and misdirecting people away from.
    "Padre Pio was able not only to hear but to see souls from the other world. At times, he was given the gift of knowing the eternal condition of those who had died. It is said that the widow of a man who died by ѕυιcιdє once inquired about the state of her husband’s soul, and Padre Pio replied, “He’s saved. Between the bridge and the river he repented.” 

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    Re: Francis saw his demons
    « Reply #31 on: April 23, 2025, 01:19:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: bookofbirds on April 23, 2025, 12:45:10 AM
    "Padre Pio was able not only to hear but to see souls from the other world. At times, he was given the gift of knowing the eternal condition of those who had died. It is said that the widow of a man who died by ѕυιcιdє once inquired about the state of her husband’s soul, and Padre Pio replied, “He’s saved. Between the bridge and the river he repented.”

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    The same anecdote is said of the Saint Curé d'Ars
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    Re: Francis saw his demons
    « Reply #32 on: April 23, 2025, 03:53:01 AM »
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    • If Jorge Borgoglio is in Heaven, then all of the Catholic martyrs shed their blood in vain. Jesus Christ's Sacrifice is in vain. If God allows Borgoglio in Heaven, despite his anti-Catholic pathology thoughout his tenure, then God is a flake or fraud, and I want not be in any of the mansions of God's house after I die. Keep me away from that demented God.
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    Re: Francis saw his demons
    « Reply #33 on: April 23, 2025, 04:57:13 AM »
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    • I don't know what's up with all the gasps and pearl clutching on here simply because I didn't see any external signs or statements by old Jorge that would lead me to believe he repented. The Vatican news service, those closest to him
    have purported to share his last words and demeanor. Ah, but I guess they are lying too, they all conspired together
    to trick us skeptical Traddies. 


    I must have listened to dozens of chilling sermons by St. Alphonsus Liguori and other saints describing the fate of Catholics, who due to one slip up, were cast into hell. It doesn't strike me as particularly just or merciful but I accept it. I don't know how Jorge can then receive a get of hell free pass. 

    Our God is one of perfect justice and although we can't fathom his infinite ways we nevertheless were endowed with
    some innate sense of justice. Even a small child who gets one less piece of candy than their sibling knows what's fair and what isn't with their limited understanding. 
    Lastly, certain people criticizing my admittedly harsh tone are all too quick themselves to believe the very worst rumors about such and such Hollywood celebrity or other elite as if it were the gospel truth because of something Mel Gibson is claimed to have said. 
    Gimme a break. 
    So, I'll repeat...I never said Bergoglio was in hell. In the course of this and other threads on his demise I gave a broad list of 
    his heresies and crimes against humanity. Because of that other posters equate it with my relishing the idea he is in hell.
    It's a bit like hearing of a man who fell out of an airplane without a parachute. I don't need to see him splatter to know how gravity operates. I guess there's an extremely remote possibility he landed upon the back of a flying unicorn that whisked him off to safety where they landed softly onto a meadow. 


    Know ye not we shall judge angels, so how much more the things of this world Saint Paul wrote. 
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    Re: Francis saw his demons
    « Reply #34 on: April 23, 2025, 06:17:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: WhiteWorkinClassScapegoat on April 23, 2025, 03:53:01 AM
    If Jorge Borgoglio is in Heaven, then all of the Catholic martyrs shed their blood in vain. Jesus Christ's Sacrifice is in vain. If God allows Borgoglio in Heaven, despite his anti-Catholic pathology thoughout his tenure, then God is a flake or fraud, and I want not be in any of the mansions of God's house after I die. Keep me away from that demented God.
    If Bergoglio is not damned it is because he repented of his sins before death. Likely, no. Possibly, yes. When you stand before God in judgement these terrible words denying God His rights will be used against you, unless you repent. God will not be mocked and no one should dare to presume upon His mercy
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    Re: Francis saw his demons
    « Reply #35 on: April 23, 2025, 06:22:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: WhiteWorkinClassScapegoat on April 23, 2025, 03:53:01 AM
    If Jorge Borgoglio is in Heaven, then all of the Catholic martyrs shed their blood in vain. Jesus Christ's Sacrifice is in vain. If God allows Borgoglio in Heaven, despite his anti-Catholic pathology thoughout his tenure, then God is a flake or fraud, and I want not be in any of the mansions of God's house after I die. Keep me away from that demented God.
    So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first. And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.
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    Re: Francis saw his demons
    « Reply #36 on: April 23, 2025, 06:35:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: Croagh Patrick on April 23, 2025, 06:22:02 AM
    So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first. And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.
    We have zero reason to believe that Francis repented before his death.
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    Re: Francis saw his demons
    « Reply #37 on: April 23, 2025, 06:52:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: AnthonyPadua on April 23, 2025, 06:35:16 AM
    We have zero reason to believe that Francis repented before his death.
    That’s not even the argument.  Lasislaus, Pax, etc are simply arguing that it’s POSSIBLE and that it should be hoped for.  Some people here are literally arguing that they want Francis to be damned.  Which is uncharitable. 
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    Re: Francis saw his demons
    « Reply #38 on: April 23, 2025, 06:59:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: ByzCat3000 on April 23, 2025, 06:52:10 AM
    That’s not even the argument.  Lasislaus, Pax, etc are simply arguing that it’s POSSIBLE and that it should be hoped for.  Some people here are literally arguing that they want Francis to be damned.  Which is uncharitable.

    Not only that, but I conceded that last-minute conversions are very unlikely (as per, say, a St. Alphonsus) but then said that with God all things are possible.
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    Offline Croagh Patrick

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    Re: Francis saw his demons
    « Reply #39 on: April 23, 2025, 07:38:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: AnthonyPadua on April 23, 2025, 06:35:16 AM
    We have zero reason to believe that Francis repented before his death.
    Heard a sermon once about, what happens when we die and we go to heaven:
    1. The people we assumed who would be there that aren't.
    2. The people we assumed who wouldn't be there, that are.
    3. We made it ourselves. 
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    Re: Francis saw his demons
    « Reply #40 on: April 23, 2025, 08:09:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: WhiteWorkinClassScapegoat on April 23, 2025, 03:53:01 AM
    If Jorge Borgoglio is in Heaven, then all of the Catholic martyrs shed their blood in vain. Jesus Christ's Sacrifice is in vain. If God allows Borgoglio in Heaven, despite his anti-Catholic pathology thoughout his tenure, then God is a flake or fraud, and I want not be in any of the mansions of God's house after I die. Keep me away from that demented God.
    And when evening was come, the lord of the vineyard saith to his steward: Call the labourers and pay them their hire, beginning from the last even to the first.
    9 When therefore they were come, that came about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.  10 But when the first also came, they thought that they should receive more: and they also received every man a penny.

    11 And receiving it they murmured against the master of the house,12 Saying: These last have worked but one hour, and thou hast made them equal to us, that have borne the burden of the day and the heats.

    13 But he answering said to one of them: Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst thou not agree with me for a penny? 14 Take what is thine, and go thy way: I will also give to this last even as to thee.

    15 Or, is it not lawful for me to do what I will? is thy eye evil, because I am good?
    16 So shall the last be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen.
    (Matthew 20)

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    Re: Francis saw his demons
    « Reply #41 on: April 23, 2025, 08:12:51 AM »
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    • Quote from: AnthonyPadua on April 23, 2025, 06:35:16 AM
    We have zero reason to believe that Francis repented before his death.
    It wasn't only his personal belief but something he taught is that everyone goes to heaven so why would he feel the need to repent?
    He also taught that there is no hell so what reason would he have for repenting other than as some trite formality. 
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    Re: Francis saw his demons
    « Reply #42 on: April 23, 2025, 08:18:47 AM »
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    I don't know what's up with all the gasps and pearl clutching on here simply because I didn't see any external signs or statements by old Jorge that would lead me to believe he repented.
    1.  You live 5,000 miles away.  There's no way you would know if he prayed the rosary before he died or if he sacrificed a chicken to a demon.  None of us would know anything.

    2.  For you to presume that you would have any inkling into the last hours of his death is beyond stupid.  You don't even have an insight in the last hours of your neighbor, before he fell asleep last night.

    The whole point is, your attitude is ridiculous.  One, you presume you could infer someone's thoughts.  And two, that you could do so from 5,000 miles away, with someone you've never met.  And three, you presume very anti-catholic sentiments, i.e. "Oh, he looks like he's happy in his sins."  :facepalm:
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    Re: Francis saw his demons
    « Reply #43 on: April 23, 2025, 08:25:20 AM »
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    • VerdenFell, are you really a male?  Your posts are highly emotional.  I question whether you are lying about your gender.
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    Re: Francis saw his demons
    « Reply #44 on: April 23, 2025, 09:04:23 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on April 23, 2025, 08:25:20 AM
    VerdenFell, are you really a male?  Your posts are highly emotional.  I question whether you are lying about your gender.
    In the time it took you to write these gαy posts you could have been saying a rosary for your masonic pope Jorge.
    Shame on you
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