Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey

The other day he received gift from Budists.  

Yes, he should be the one giving out gift of green scapular. And booklet about converting to Catholicism.

That is why we have dialog.

Probably won't do any good but what the hey:

"Pope" Francis:
'Dialogue means Renouncing the Claim that our Ideas and Traditions Alone are Valid or Absolute'

LINK

BAM!, as Mike Voris would say.

Quote from: poche

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey

The other day he received gift from Budists.  

Yes, he should be the one giving out gift of green scapular. And booklet about converting to Catholicism.

That is why we have dialog.

You well know the Novus Ordo officially says this is NOT the purpose of "dialogue", and the Novus Ordo NEVER does any of this anyways.

Why do you lie?

I don't think it is a lie. The ultimate goal of dialogue is conversion to the Catholic Faith. For exampe now we have the personal ordiariates decreed by Pope Benedict for Anglicans who want to convert as a community.

  http://w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/apost_constitutions/docuмents/hf_ben-xvi_apc_20091104_anglicanorum-coetibus.html

Quote from: poche

Quote from: Disputaciones

Quote from: poche

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey

The other day he received gift from Budists.  

Yes, he should be the one giving out gift of green scapular. And booklet about converting to Catholicism.

That is why we have dialog.

You well know the Novus Ordo officially says this is NOT the purpose of "dialogue", and the Novus Ordo NEVER does any of this anyways.

Why do you lie?

I don't think it is a lie. The ultimate goal of dialogue is conversion to the Catholic Faith. For exampe now we have the personal ordiariates decreed by Pope Benedict for Anglicans who want to convert as a community.

  http://w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/apost_constitutions/docuмents/hf_ben-xvi_apc_20091104_anglicanorum-coetibus.html

Did you not see my post above?

The so-called Anglican conversions are a lie, they still retain heretical Anglican heresies and practices.

He saw it, but refuses to acknowledge it, so he just ignores it.

That's an intellectual dishonesty that is tantamount to bold-faced lying, and it is maddeningly endemic to line-toeing Novus Ordites (particularly clerics), who never acknowledge plain truths which contradict their errors, even when said truths are shoved in their faces. They simply ignore it, smile blankly, and go about their business as usual. If anyone wonders why I believe Poche is a plant - possibly even a NO priest or some other paid shill, then that practiced, politician-like selective acknowledgement of truth which he displays here and elsewhere, is why.

And even if he's not a shill, it's at least a clear demonstration of a perniciously wilfull refusal to face up to error of Conciliarism and come at last to Catholic Tradition. That fact alone, in my opinion, is sufficient grounds for banning him.

From Vatican Insider

http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/francesco-sudamerica-42350/

What did you feel when President Morales gave you the crucifix with the hammer and anvil? And where did it end up?[/b]

“I was curious, I didn't know Fr. Espinal was a sculptor and also a poet. I learned about it in these past few days, I saw it and for me it was a surprise. It can be categorised as a form protest art. In Buenos Aires, some years ago, there was an exhibition displaying the works of a good sculptor, a creative Argentine who is now dead. It was protest art, and I remember one piece was a crucified Christ on a falling bomber: a criticism against Christianity but because of its alliance with imperialism. I would qualify it as protest art, that in some cases can be offensive. In this particular case, Fr. Espinal was killed in 1980. This was a time when Liberation Theology had many different branches. One of these branches used the Marxist analysis of reality and Fr. Espinal shared these ideas. I knew this because that year I was rector of the theology faculty and we talked a lot about it.” In the same year, the Society’s general, Fr. Arrupe, sent a letter to the Jesuits asking them to stop the Marxist analysis of reality and four years later, in 1984, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith published the first docuмent, which is critical, and the second, which opens up to more Christian viewpoints. Espinal was an enthusiast of this Marxist analysis and he produced this work. His poetry also belongs to that genre. It was his life, his way of thinking. He was a special man abounding in human genius, a man of good faith. Let us interpret it this way: I understand this piece and I did not find it offensive. I carry it with me. I left the decorative honours which President Morales gave me behind… I have never accepted such decorations but Morales acted in good faith, to please me, so I thought of it as coming from the people. I prayed it over and I thought I would leave them with Our Lady of Copacabana, so they go to the shrine.  The wooden Christ I took with me.”

A clear demonstration that subjectivist thinking is ruinous, to this pope, and to those who use similar subjective arguments to defend him.

Attempting to defend the indefensible is an exercise in futility.

At least John Paul II had the fortitude to wag his finger at the Nicaraguan (Cardenal).