Author Topic: Francis receives communist crucifix from Evo Morales (Read 5354 times)

Disputaciones · « **Reply #15 on:** July 09, 2015, 07:43:28 PM »

Quote from: Charlemagne

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Maybe someone gave it to him as gift.

And if so, he should follow the instruction as contained in the St. Pius X catechism regarding prottie "bibles":

"Q. What should a Christian do who has been given a Bible by a Protestant or by an agent of the Protestants?

A. A Christian to whom a Bible has been offered by a Protestant or an agent of the Protestants should reject it with disgust, because it is forbidden by the Church. If it was accepted by inadvertence, it must be burnt as soon as possible or handed in to the Parish Priest."

Wow is that really in there? I've never read that catechism because I don't have it.

What page/question number is it?

It's Question 32. I don't know the page number.

Thanks, I'll check it out.

Charlemagne · « **Reply #16 on:** July 09, 2015, 08:00:06 PM »

I should clarify, Disputaciones: It's Question 32 under "On the Virtues and Vices > Theological Virtues > On Holy Scripture."

PG · « **Reply #17 on:** July 09, 2015, 09:16:25 PM »

I must say, I am surprised at the gift francis brought. The virgin and child mosaic appears to be quite nice. The eyes seem to be different than those in tradition. But, it doesn't really strike me as a problem.

poche · « **Reply #18 on:** July 09, 2015, 11:52:47 PM »

Bolivia’s President Evo Morales drew a rebuke from Pope Francis when he presented the Pontiff with a crucifix mounted on a hammer and sickle.

“That’s not right,” the Pope said when he saw the crucifix combined with the symbol of Communism. The incident occurred during the traditional exchange of gifts as the Pope paid a courtesy call on the Bolivian leader.

Morales—who has a penchant for mixing Communist ideology and pagan rituals with Catholic symbols—has had a tense relationship with the Church since becoming president of Bolivia in 2006. He once referred to the Church as his “main enemy.”

Pope Francis appeared to be taken aback by the unusual gift. Bolivian officials explained that it was a replica of a crucifix made by Father Luis Espinal, a Jesuit human-rights activist who was killed in 1980. The Pope had paused to pray at the site of the priest’s death before arriving at the presidential palace.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=25477

GottmitunsAlex · « **Reply #19 on:** July 10, 2015, 12:02:18 AM »

Quote from: poche

Bolivia’s President Evo Morales drew a rebuke from Pope Francis when he presented the Pontiff with a crucifix mounted on a hammer and sickle.

“That’s not right,” the Pope said when he saw the crucifix combined with the symbol of Communism. The incident occurred during the traditional exchange of gifts as the Pope paid a courtesy call on the Bolivian leader.

Morales—who has a penchant for mixing Communist ideology and pagan rituals with Catholic symbols—has had a tense relationship with the Church since becoming president of Bolivia in 2006. He once referred to the Church as his “main enemy.”

Pope Francis appeared to be taken aback by the unusual gift. Bolivian officials explained that it was a replica of a crucifix made by Father Luis Espinal, a Jesuit human-rights activist who was killed in 1980. The Pope had paused to pray at the site of the priest’s death before arriving at the presidential palace.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=25477

No.. He did not say " Eso no está bien" (that is not right).
Francis said "No sabía eso". (I didn't know that). Referring to the story of a communist-crucifix just like the one he received from Morales which was owned by "Fr" Luis Espinal. The Jesuit communist priest who was "Martyred" in Bolivia by the then-anti-communist regime of Gen. Luis García Meza Tejada.

Btw, Francis also accepted the hammer and sickle pendant and chain as well.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/kq-c0wG3evg[/youtube]

Francis must of missed class the day they were talking about "Divinis Redemptoris" by Pius XI in the liberation theology seminary.....
right

GottmitunsAlex · « **Reply #20 on:** July 10, 2015, 12:13:16 AM »

poche · « **Reply #21 on:** July 10, 2015, 12:27:05 AM »

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The other day he received gift from Budists.

Yes, he should be the one giving out gift of green scapular. And booklet about converting to Catholicism.

That is why we have dialog.

GottmitunsAlex · « **Reply #22 on:** July 10, 2015, 12:34:14 AM »

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/zZG3vHuT8Gc[/youtube]

Disputaciones · « **Reply #23 on:** July 10, 2015, 01:08:40 AM »

Quote from: poche

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
The other day he received gift from Budists.

Yes, he should be the one giving out gift of green scapular. And booklet about converting to Catholicism.

That is why we have dialog.

You well know the Novus Ordo officially says this is NOT the purpose of "dialogue", and the Novus Ordo NEVER does any of this anyways.

Why do you lie?

BTNYC · « **Reply #24 on:** July 10, 2015, 01:51:24 AM »

Quote from: poche

Bolivia’s President Evo Morales drew a rebuke from Pope Francis when he presented the Pontiff with a crucifix mounted on a hammer and sickle.

“That’s not right,” the Pope said when he saw the crucifix combined with the symbol of Communism. The incident occurred during the traditional exchange of gifts as the Pope paid a courtesy call on the Bolivian leader.

Morales—who has a penchant for mixing Communist ideology and pagan rituals with Catholic symbols—has had a tense relationship with the Church since becoming president of Bolivia in 2006. He once referred to the Church as his “main enemy.”

Pope Francis appeared to be taken aback by the unusual gift. Bolivian officials explained that it was a replica of a crucifix made by Father Luis Espinal, a Jesuit human-rights activist who was killed in 1980. The Pope had paused to pray at the site of the priest’s death before arriving at the presidential palace.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=25477

Filial piety is not piety at all when it involves straight-up lying, Poche.

Where is your filial piety to Our Heavenly Father, Who was blasphemed and outraged by this atrocity which you're attempting to whitewash?

BTNYC · « **Reply #25 on:** July 10, 2015, 01:53:10 AM »

Quote from: poche

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
The other day he received gift from Budists.

Yes, he should be the one giving out gift of green scapular. And booklet about converting to Catholicism.

That is why we have dialog.

Poche, this comment tempts me to tell you to go to hell, but I will refrain out of a desire to not be uncharitable... or redundant.

Disputaciones · « **Reply #26 on:** July 10, 2015, 09:35:26 AM »

Quote from: poche

Bolivia’s President Evo Morales drew a rebuke from Pope Francis when he presented the Pontiff with a crucifix mounted on a hammer and sickle.

“That’s not right,” the Pope said when he saw the crucifix combined with the symbol of Communism. The incident occurred during the traditional exchange of gifts as the Pope paid a courtesy call on the Bolivian leader.

Morales—who has a penchant for mixing Communist ideology and pagan rituals with Catholic symbols—has had a tense relationship with the Church since becoming president of Bolivia in 2006. He once referred to the Church as his “main enemy.”

Pope Francis appeared to be taken aback by the unusual gift. Bolivian officials explained that it was a replica of a crucifix made by Father Luis Espinal, a Jesuit human-rights activist who was killed in 1980. The Pope had paused to pray at the site of the priest’s death before arriving at the presidential palace.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=25477

These little "defenses" of the indefensible are truly pathetic. I can't believe this has been going on the entire time since the conciliar "popes" showed up.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #27 on:** July 10, 2015, 09:46:41 AM »

As Gottmittunsalex pointed out, there was no rebuke. He merely shook his head and said "I didn't know that", in reference to the Jesuit who was the original artist of the blasphemy. Evo Morales replied clearly: "Now you know it.".

There was no rebuke, and those who are saying it are misinformed.

There were some other interesting things form this visit. Supposedly Francis chewed coca leaves, for which the excuse of his one lung was given. Either way it is reported that he chewed coca leaves while in Bolivia. (This made me remember the cocaine that was intercepted last year that was coming to Vatican City, I don't know why.)

Also Francis said something about a one-world government and a nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr of economic awareness where the riches of the world are shared. This is a very loose paraphrase. Certainly the sources exist in English somewhere or will eventually. I'm going to go back to ignoring Francis now. Have a nice day.

Charlemagne · « **Reply #28 on:** July 10, 2015, 10:17:24 AM »

Quote from: Disputaciones

Quote from: poche
Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
The other day he received gift from Budists.

Yes, he should be the one giving out gift of green scapular. And booklet about converting to Catholicism.

That is why we have dialog.

You well know the Novus Ordo officially says this is NOT the purpose of "dialogue", and the Novus Ordo NEVER does any of this anyways.

Why do you lie?

He lies because he's the model modernist: Deceive and lie but mix in just enough "piety" to hide under the cover of plausible deniability. Matthew must have the patience of Job to have not banned him already.

GottmitunsAlex · « **Reply #29 on:** July 10, 2015, 02:42:06 PM »

Quote from: Charlemagne

Quote from: Disputaciones
Quote from: poche
Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
The other day he received gift from Budists.

Yes, he should be the one giving out gift of green scapular. And booklet about converting to Catholicism.

That is why we have dialog.

You well know the Novus Ordo officially says this is NOT the purpose of "dialogue", and the Novus Ordo NEVER does any of this anyways.

Why do you lie?

He lies because he's the model modernist: Deceive and lie but mix in just enough "piety" to hide under the cover of plausible deniability. Matthew must have the patience of Job to have not banned him already.

In true charity, I concur.