Before anyone thinks this is from another parody site, please note that it comes from Vatican Radio:
http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-sends-greetings-for-us-christian-unity-event




(Vatican Radio) Pope Francis has sent a videomessage on the occasion of the Day for Christian Unity which took place in Phoenix, Arizona in the United States on May 23rd.

Below is the English translation of the Pope's Message.

Brothers and sisters, may the peace of Christ be with you.

Forgive me if I speak in Spanish, but my English isn’t good enough for me to express myself properly.  I speak in Spanish but, above all, I speak in the language of the heart.

I have the invitation you sent me for this celebration of Christian Unity, this day of reconciliation. And I wish to join you from here. “Father, may we be one so that the world may believe you sent me”. This is the slogan, the theme of the meeting: Christ’s prayer to the Father for the grace of unity.

Today, Saturday May 23rd, from 9in the morning until 5 in the afternoon, I will be with you spiritually and with all my heart. We will search together, we will pray together, for the grace of unity. The unity that is budding among us is that unity which begins under the seal of the one Baptism we have all received. It is the unity we are seeking along a common path. It is the spiritual unity of prayer for one another. It is the unity of our common labour on behalf of our brothers and sisters, and all those who believe in the sovereignty of Christ.

Dear brothers and sisters, division is a wound in the body of the Church of Christ. And we do not want this wound to remain open. Division is the work of the Father of Lies, the Father of Discord, who does everything possible to keep us divided.

Together today, I here in Rome and you over there, we will ask our Father to send the Spirit of Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and to give us the grace to be one, “so that the world may believe”. I feel like saying something that may sound controversial, or even heretical, perhaps. But there is someone who “knows” that, despite our differences, we are one. It is he who is persecuting us. It is he who is persecuting Christians today, he who is anointing us with (the blood of) martyrdom. He knows that Christians are disciples of Christ: that they are one, that they are brothers! He doesn’t care if they are Evangelicals, or Orthodox, Lutherans, Catholics or Apostolic…he doesn’t care! They are Christians. And that blood (of martyrdom) unites. Today, dear brothers and sisters, we are living an “ecuмenism of blood”. This must encourage us to do what we are doing today: to pray, to dialogue together, to shorten the distance between us, to strengthen our bonds of brotherhood.

I am convinced it won’t be theologians who bring about unity among us. Theologians help us, the science of the theologians will assist us, but if we hope that theologians will agree with one another, we will reach unity the day after Judgement Day. The Holy Spirit brings about unity. Theologians are helpful, but most helpful is the goodwill of us all who are on this journey with our hearts open to the Holy Spirit!

In all humility, I join you as just another participant on this day of prayer, friendship, closeness and  reflection. In the certainty that we have one Lord: Jesus is the Lord. In the certainty that this Lord is alive: Jesus is alive, the Lord lives in each one of us. In the certainty that He has sent the Spirit He promised us so that this “harmony” among all His disciples might be realised.

Dear brothers and sisters, I greet you warmly, with an embrace. I pray for you. I pray with you.

And I ask you, please, to pray for me. Because I need your prayers in order to be faithful to what the Lord wants from my Ministry.

God bless you. May God bless us all.  

The man is blatantly and willingly spewing heresy.
Furthermore, he is acknowledging it.

He sure pushes the limits with his statement, but for the sake of accuracy, the translation is incorrect. He clearly says "maybe a heresy, I don't know"- "quizás una herejía, no sé". The rendering: "or even heretical, perhaps" is not an accurate translation by no means. The "I don't know" is all one needs to affirm material heresy.


Many sites have translated him incorrectly.  They should all have to retract, or be held accountable.

What he says is material heresy. I am not aware of a Traditional Catholic who will try to claim that it is not. But the "perhaps", does not signify the same as "I don't know". He actually says both. He clearly says: "quizás una herejía, no se" -quizás can be translated "maybe" or "perhaps", the most frequent is "perhaps". "A lo mejor" and "tal vez" are more often translated as "maybe", but for the context "maybe" runs more natural.  

A simple "I don't know" -"no sé", is saying that he doesn't know if it is heresy, literally, and so to prove formal heresy is impossible, considering that the key element to being formal heresy is that the person is aware, id est, he must know it (debe saberlo).

If this is correct that the Vatican has put the subtitles, then the Vatican mistranslated, or rather chose intentionally to not translate in the literal sense.

I'm not up for a "defend Francis" battle, I desist, but the need for an accurate translation is important. It is a big waste of time of the idea you are defending is based on an innacurate translation.

Quote from: Centroamerica

A simple "I don't know" -"no sé", is saying that he doesn't know if it is heresy, literally, and so to prove formal heresy is impossible, considering that the key element to being formal heresy is that the person is aware, id est, he must know it (debe saberlo).

You're missing the fact that he says what he says anyway despite the fact that it MIGHT be heresy.  Which implies that he holds the opinion whether it's heretical or not.  Which implies formal heresy.

Quote your source.


"A heretic is one who dissents altogether from the Catholic rule of faith, and he will be called a material heretic if he is invincibly ignorant of the authority of the Church which he rejects, and a formal heretic if the Church's authority has been sufficiently proposed to him, so that his dissent from it is culpable. (This is clearly explained by Cardinal Billot: De Ecclesia Christi, ed. 4, pp. 289-290)"

http://www.sedevacantist.com/pertinacity.html


To begin to accuse formal heresy to those who simply say that they do not know if something is heresy is not a very good position to take.

To begin to accuse formal heresy to those who simply say that they do not know if something is heresy is not a very good position to take.

Generally, saying "I don't know" would suggest that you're in agreement with whatever the Church teaches, you just don't know what the true teaching is.

What Francis is saying is more like "I don't know and I don't care."

It's really ridiculous for a pope to ever use the phrase "I don't know" when discussing possible heresy.

It's also difficult to put quotation marks on anything we want to make Bergoglio say.  Even if you believe it is implied that he said "I don't care", to quote him as saying it is deceitful if he didn't actually say it,

I thought that as I typed it.
I've added a couple of words to make it clearer.
If there's a better way to convey what I was trying to say, I can change it.

is Francis speaking heresy, or is he speaking according to SH?

Both.