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Francis insists Protestant "bishop" receive Requiem Mass
« on: August 09, 2014, 10:32:51 PM »
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  • Protestant Tony Palmer Receives
    Catholic Requiem Mass


    Report: Pope Francis Insists he be “Buried as a Bishop”
     
    By John Vennari
     
                “Father David told us that because Tony [Palmer] was not a Roman Catholic he had to ask his bishop’s permission to celebrate the requiem and though Tony’s wife and children are Roman Catholics, permission still had to be given for the requiem. The bishop agreed but said that Tony could not be buried as a bishop as he was not a Roman Catholic bishop. However, Pope Francis said he should and could be buried as a bishop, and so that put an end to that little bit of ecclesiastical nonsense!”[1]
                The above was written on August 6 by Michael Daly, CJ, a member of the “non-denominational Franciscan” group called the Companions of Jesus, based in the UK.
               Michael Daly attended the Requiem Mass celebrated at St. John the Evangelist Roman Catholic Church in the city of Bath by Canon David Ryan.
                Tony Palmer was an evangelical, Pentecostal Episcopalian “bishop” who was a close friend and collaborator with Pope Francis. Palmer was killed in a head-on motorcycle accident on July 20 of this year.[2]
                This past February the Catholic world was stunned to see a YouTube video, recorded by Tony Palmer on his iPhone, of Pope Francis in which the Pope calls the protestant Palmer “my brother, a bishop-brother,” and sends a special note of encouragement to a large interfaith Pentecostal gathering sponsored by Kenneth Copeland Ministries.
                Palmer is connected to the “Holy Laughter” Toronto Pentecostals run by John and Carol Arnott. The Toronto “Holy Laughter” Pentecostals believe that Holy Ghost manifests Himself by making the Pentecostal bark like a dog, oink like a pig, and roll around on the ground in a “Holy Laughter”. (I’ve been both to the Toronto Pentecostal gathering and I saw the “Holy Laughter” Pentecostals at Celebrate Jesus 2000 conference in June 2000 in St. Louis, MO,  sponsored by Franciscan University at Steubenville. It was a horrifying spectacle).[3]
                “Bishop” Tony Palmer says in his February video that he has worked closely with Pope John Paul II, Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Francis, all who have encouraged his work as a Protestant Pentecostal preacher. He was especially close with Cardinal Bergoglio, and says that he had even greater access to Bergoglio since his election to the Papacy than when he was Archbishop of Buenos Aires.
                Palmer called his work a “convergence movement,” between Protestants and Catholics, but the convergence he envisions is an undefined future unity wherein neither Protestants nor Catholics convert to each other’s denomination. This also appears to be the vision of Pope Francis.

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    « Reply #1 on: August 09, 2014, 11:11:58 PM »
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  • Heretics are to be denied ecclesiastical burial - it's right there in Canon 1240. I guess Francis has never read, nor will ever read the Code of Canon Law.
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    « Reply #2 on: August 10, 2014, 12:04:08 AM »
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  • I doubt Mr Palmer had a Catholic Requiem Mass. It was probably the N O bastard mass. :laugh1:

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    « Reply #3 on: August 10, 2014, 12:18:16 AM »
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  • He is your pope.

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    « Reply #4 on: August 10, 2014, 12:44:09 AM »
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  • These are the direct results brought by the modernist attack on the Catholic dogmas of exclusive salvation, in which non-Catholics are actually considered members of the Church Militant and treated as such.  

    There are some here however, who pretend that this Protestant could in fact be a member of the Church and be in the state of sanctifying grace (perhaps he is part of the "soul" of the Church, "invincible ignorant" of the need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation) in which case, what Pope Francis is doing would not come as a surprise or be considered an error.

    Reality is though, that with this "Interfaith" approach, what Pope Francis and his modernist friends seek is not conversion to the True Catholic Religion but simply "convergence". To supplant what is truly Catholic, with what is merely "global" or "acceptable" for all until there is nothing left from the Authentic Faith of Christ. Everything is part of a strategic and relentless process of annihilation of the Holy Roman Catholic Church, in which the most important point is the denial of Her exclusivity as only means of human salvation.

    It is a disgrace!
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


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    « Reply #5 on: August 10, 2014, 03:52:13 AM »
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    All of this post by Cantarella seems fine to me.  I have a few things to add.....

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    These are the direct results brought by the Modernist attack on the Catholic dogma of exclusive salvation, in which non-Catholics are actually considered members of the Church Militant and treated as such.  


    It's a bit ironic to see the term "Church Militant" used in this connotation.  I suspect that Pope Francis would be averse to this term, and I highly doubt he would ever use it.  (Has anyone heard of him saying "Church Militant" in reference to anything at all?)

    The irony I find most alarming here is, Protestants are militant AGAINST the Church by their pernicious heresy, defection from the truth and propagation of error, and the horrific consequence of this error reaching into the papacy itself, as this story explains in lurid detail.  

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    There are some here however, who pretend that this Protestant could in fact be a member of the Church and be in the state of sanctifying grace (perhaps he is part of the "soul" of the Church, "invincible ignorant" of the need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation) in which case, what Pope Francis is doing would not come as a surprise or be considered an error.


    Please note, this is nothing other than the logical consequence of denial of the thrice-defined dogma of extra ecclesiam nulla salus, (EENS), Outside the Church there is no salvation.  It has been going on a LONG time, the history of which was punctuated with those three ex-cathedra definitions, which all Catholics are bound to believe AS WRITTEN.  The first one attempted to settle the issue with the clear language in simple terms, but the attacks of the devil persisted to the effect that a SECOND definition was necessary less than 100 years later, which was given in MORE specific detail, and not presuming that everyone would just "get it" as had happened the first time.  But the devil never sleeps, and consequently, a THIRD definition was required, this time, employing words that had seemed unnecessary a couple hundred years before, saying that all non-Catholics, even if they were to pour out their blood (be martyred) for the name of Christ, cannot be saved unless they die in the bosom of Holy Mother Church.  

    Even so, the devil never sleeps and that's why we still have attacks against this clear language even today, with 'nuancing' that attempts to give new meaning to the words of these definitions:

    It all depends on what you mean by "inside."  
    It all depends on what you mean by "the Church."
    It all depends on what you mean by "salvation."
    It all depends on what you mean by "outside."
    It all depends on what you mean by "no."



    Remember Bill Clinton?        
    "It all depends on what you mean by the word, 'is'!"        




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    Reality is though, that with this "Interfaith" approach, what Pope Francis and his Modernist friends seek is not conversion to the True Catholic Religion but simply "convergence" -- to supplant what is truly Catholic, with what is merely "global" or "acceptable" for all, until there is nothing left from the authentic Faith of Christ.


    Didn't Our Lord ask, "When I return will I find, think ye, faith on earth?"

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    Everything is part of a strategic and relentless process of annihilation of the Holy Roman Catholic Church, in which the most important point is the denial of Her exclusivity as only means of human salvation.

    It is a disgrace!


    What we are seeing is the fulfillment of prophesy, the inexorable march toward preparation for the reign of Antichrist.  Our own parents would never have believed that we would one day see the Church devolve into this chaos, but here it is.  What do you expect our children will see in their lifetimes?  One thing's for sure:  there is more to come...........

    It is just warming up.  We ain't seen nothin' yet!

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    Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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    « Reply #6 on: August 10, 2014, 06:15:17 AM »
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  • The first thing that came to my mind was "Against the Rumors" where Fr. Rostand affirmed that: “It is not true to say that the unity of the Church is only based on the Faith.”

    What else is "the unity of the Church" based on then? Apostasy? That seems to be Francis way.

    The second thought was that +Fellay was more than willing to sacrifice three good bishops in his deal with Rome. +Williamson and the demotion of the other two. Should he be surprised at this news? Or the rest of the SSPX "leadership"? Rome has no use for any Catholic bishop except to render them useless in the defense of the Faith they reject and move on to the OWC.

    Bravo! Cantarella and all defending EENS.

    The love of God be your motivation, the will of God your guiding principle, the glory of God your goal.
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    « Reply #7 on: August 10, 2014, 06:40:55 AM »
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  • Quote from: Mabel
    He is your pope.


    St. Athanasius did not become a SV. Neither will I. God will put an end to the "general apostasy" OLF spoke of when HE wills. Until then, why should we not suffer the punishment for "not keeping watch" and fulling the apostasy with the denial of EENS?
    The love of God be your motivation, the will of God your guiding principle, the glory of God your goal.
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    « Reply #8 on: August 10, 2014, 08:16:07 AM »
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  • Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora
    Quote from: Mabel
    He is your pope.


    St. Athanasius did not become a SV. Neither will I. God will put an end to the "general apostasy" OLF spoke of when HE wills. Until then, why should we not suffer the punishment for "not keeping watch" and fulling the apostasy with the denial of EENS?


    Pope Liberius was a public heretic?
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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  • Pope Francis--just another nail in the Catholic coffin.

    He must be doing something wrong to be so well liked by most if not all religious denominations (cults)

    God help us but we probably got the Pope we deserve and not the one we need.

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    « Reply #10 on: August 10, 2014, 09:42:19 AM »
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  • Quote from: Phyllo
    Pope Francis--just another nail in the Catholic coffin.

    He must be doing something wrong to be so well liked by most if not all religious denominations (cults)

    God help us but we probably got the Pope we deserve and not the one we need.


    See, I don't see it that way.  I see it as we got a pope that the Modernists gave us.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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  • Quote from: Mabel
    He is your pope.


    Who holds the same heresies that you do?

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    « Reply #12 on: August 10, 2014, 10:47:15 AM »
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  • Quote from: 2Vermont
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    Pope Francis--just another nail in the Catholic coffin.

    He must be doing something wrong to be so well liked by most if not all religious denominations (cults)

    God help us but we probably got the Pope we deserve and not the one we need.


    See, I don't see it that way.  I see it as we got a pope that the Modernists gave us.


    Yes, I agree he is a modernists but I think we can also blame the laity a little for not pushing back on the modernist bishops and priests and just accepting what they say as "law". And yet I don't think there are enough of us who are not modernists with enough courage to do the pushing and requesting(maybe even demanding) the TLM.

    I could be wrong but I think over the past 50 or so years we have been  losing our   Roman Catholics  identity with all this false ecuмinism

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  • Quote from: Phyllo
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    Quote from: Phyllo
    Pope Francis--just another nail in the Catholic coffin.

    He must be doing something wrong to be so well liked by most if not all religious denominations (cults)

    God help us but we probably got the Pope we deserve and not the one we need.


    See, I don't see it that way.  I see it as we got a pope that the Modernists gave us.


    Yes, I agree he is a modernists but I think we can also blame the laity a little for not pushing back on the modernist bishops and priests and just accepting what they say as "law". And yet I don't think there are enough of us who are not modernists with enough courage to do the pushing and requesting(maybe even demanding) the TLM.

    I could be wrong but I think over the past 50 or so years we have been  losing our   Roman Catholics  identity with all this false ecuмenism


    I hear you, but I can't blame the laity 50 years ago.  After all, we're supposed to trust the hierarchy with the Faith. I'm not so sure I wouldn't have responded the same exact way back then.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    Quote from: Mabel
    He is your pope.


    Who holds the same heresies that you do?


    Exactly.

    All the pope may as well be saying is the prot died believing he was doing the right thing, which made the prot, a supposed "non-member", into a member of the Church by desire.

    LoE and Ambrose, also MyrnaM, JohnAnthonyMarie, Emerentiana and all the other CMRIers and BODers - along with Cekada, Sanborn and etc. ad nausem have been trying to convince us this is and always has been a teaching of the Church.

    The resident NSAAer hypocrites constantly quote Fenton, Kramer (lol), Laisney (lol), Cushing, all the conciliar popes and conciliar catechisms etc. ad nausem trying to convince everyone the Church teaches that non-members become non-Catholic saints because they belonged to the Church by desire.

    Thanks for the update bowler! A fine example of the fulfillment of a BOD in action.

    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse