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Pope Francis Heading to Holy Land With Rabbi and Imam as Interfaith Wing Men Abraham Skorka and Sheik Omar Abboud Join Pontiff's Trip

By Ruth Gruber
Published May 19, 2014.

Pope Francis Ditches Bulletproof Popemobile for Israel Trip

Anti-Christian Wave in Israel Worries Church as Pope Francis VIsit Nears

(JTA) — With a rabbi and a Muslim sheik as his travel companions, Pope Francis is heading to the Middle East with what he hopes will be a powerful message of interfaith respect.

It will be the first time that leaders of other faiths are part of an official papal delegation. The aim is to send “an extremely strong and explicit signal” about interfaith dialogue and the “normality” of having friends of other religions, chief Vatican spokesman Rev. Federico Lombardi told reporters.

Starting Saturday, the three-day pilgrimage will take the 77-year-old pontiff to Jordan, the West Bank and Israel. The packed agenda includes courtesy calls on government leaders; open-air Masses; meetings with Christian, Muslim and Jєωιѕн religious authorities; and visits to holy sites of the three religions.

The two men joining Francis are friends with whom the pope frequently collaborated when he was the archbishop of Buenos Aires: Rabbi Abraham Skorka, former rector of the Latin American Rabbinical Seminary in Buenos Aires, and Sheik Omar Abboud, a former secretary-general of the Islamic Center of Argentina.

“I don’t expect Francis to wave a magic wand and bring together Jєωs and Palestinians,” Skorka told the Italian Catholic newspaper Avvenire. “But his charisma and his great humility can give a powerful message of peace for the whole Middle East.”

Since being elected to the papacy in February 2013, Francis, the first non-European pope in more than 1,200 years, has become known — and widely hailed — for breaking protocol, shunning the grand trappings of papal power and reaching out to the faithful on a personal level.

On his upcoming trip, Francis has insisted that he will not travel in a bulletproof vehicle or special Popemobile. Rather, he’ll get around in “a normal car or open-topped jeep” in order to be closer to the people who come out to greet him, according to the Vatican spokesman.

Eric Greenberg, the director of communications, outreach and interfaith for the Multi-Faith Alliance for Syrian Refugees, said Francis’ ability to captivate world media means every step of his visit will be watched closely.

“There will be opportunities to deepen the important bilateral relationship between Catholics and Jєωs, and to boost the larger dialogue among Catholics, Jєωs and Muslims,” Greenberg said.

Francis will begin his trip in Jordan and proceed the next day by helicopter to Bethlehem for a 6 1/2-hour stay. He will meet there with Palestinian officials, celebrate an open-air Mass in Manger Square and visit with children from Palestinian refugee camps.

The official Vatican program says the pope will be visiting “the state of Palestine,” which has prompted rumors that the Vatican may announce recognition of an independent Palestinian state.

From Bethlehem, Francis will fly by helicopter to Ben Gurion Airport and then to Jerusalem. He will visit the Yad Vashem h0Ɩ0cαųst center and the Western Wall, where like his predecessors Benedict XVI and John Paul II, he will leave a message in a crack between the stones.

The pope also will visit Christian sites and the Temple Mount, a site that is sacred to both Jєωs and Muslims and the locus of recent clashes between Israeli police and Palestinians protesting Jєωιѕн visitors.

In recent years, the Vatican has made the state of Christians in the Middle East a priority issue. Latin Patriarch Fouad Twal, the top Roman Catholic clergyman in the Holy Land, said this month that the recent spate of anti-Christian graffiti attacks by Israeli Jєωιѕн extremists “poisons the atmosphere of coexistence” surrounding the papal visit. He chided Israeli authorities for not cracking down.

Rabbi David Rosen, the American Jєωιѕн Committee’s international director for interreligious affairs, said the media attention resulting from the papal trip has prompted some action to be taken against the extremists.

Francis will be the fourth reigning pope to visit Jerusalem. His trip marks the 50th anniversary of the first papal visit to the Holy Land, Pope Paul VI’s pilgrimage in January 1964. On the trip, Paul’s meeting in Jerusalem with Patriarch Athenagoras, the spiritual leader of Orthodox Christians, was a major first step toward reconciling the 1,000-year rift between Western and Eastern Christianity.

The centerpiece of Francis’ stay will be his meeting with Ecuмenical Orthodox Patriarch Bartholomew and an ecuмenical joint prayer service with leaders of other Christian churches in the Basilica of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem.

Paul’s trip, the first by a reigning pope outside of Italy, came in a vastly different context than today in terms of Jєωιѕн-Catholic and Vatican-Israel relations. The visit came one year before the Second Vatican Council promulgated its Nostra Aetate declaration, which opened the way to interreligious dialogue between Catholics and Jєωs.

It also took place decades before the Vatican and Israel established diplomatic relations with a Fundamental Agreement signed at the end of 1993. During his stay in Jerusalem, Paul did not even pronounce the word “Israel.”

For the past 20 years, Israel and the Holy See have attempted to reach agreement on several outstanding bilateral issues, including establishing the juridical rights of the Catholic Church in Israel as well as regulating property and taxation issues.

Just ahead of the pope’s visit, Israeli officials quashed rumors that Israel planned to transfer the Cenacle — the site where Jesus’ Last Supper took place — to the Vatican. Francis is to celebrate Mass at the Cenacle, which is revered by Christians.

Jєωs venerate the site as King David’s Tomb, and on May 12, hundreds of haredi Orthodox protested there demanding that Israel retain control.

All of these factors and more mean that it is impossible to separate bilateral Israel-Vatican relations from Catholic-Jєωιѕн relations, the AJC’s Rosen says.

Papal visits to Israel, he said, demonstrate “the remarkable new Catholic and Christian positive affirmation of the roots of its identity and its commitment to the welfare of the Jєωιѕн people.”

Moreover, he said, “I greatly hope that there will still be an opportunity for an interfaith encounter with local representatives of the faiths communities in this land somewhere on the papal itinerary. I actually think that to bring along an Argentinian rabbi and imam is very nice, but if there is no interfaith meeting with the locals, it might be seen locally as rather disingenuous.”

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  • Take also particular note of this from the article above:

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    The centerpiece of Francis’ stay will be his meeting with Ecuмenical Orthodox Patriarch Bartholomew and an ecuмenical joint prayer service with leaders of other Christian churches in the Basilica of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem.


    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic


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  • well I am glad to hear that francis is running around partying with heretics with no sense of accountability to the faithful- he never earned a nickel in his entire life so I am glad to see that he does not hesitate spending our money false preaching and embarrassing the church

    it sure would be nice if he went to boston or LA and tried to get to the bottom of the billions of dollars in payouts to sex abuse victims of pedophile priests protected by the church instead of going to Israel to tell the Jєωs and muslims how much better they are then us


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  • In a message marking the 50th anniversary of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, Pope Francis said that evangelization and dialogue are distinct but compatible activities.

    The pontifical council was called Secretariat for Non-Christians from 1964 until 1988.

    “Such a dialogue does not imply relativizing the Christian faith, or setting aside the yearning, which dwells in the heart of every disciple, to announce to all the joy of the encounter with Christ,” the Pope said.

    Pope Francis compared the Church’s willingness to engage in interreligious dialogue to Christ’s journey on the road to Emmaus. “Such a willingness to walk together is all the more necessary in our time.”

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=21454

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  • About 1400 boys and girls from all over Jordan will receive the sacrament of communion for the first time during the Mass that Pope Francis will celbrate on Saturday, May 24 at the Amman International Stadium. This was confirmed to Fides Agency by Father Rifat Bader, director of the Catholic Center for Studies and Media and official spokesman for the papal visit. "Preparations for this rite include both the children and their parents, and started four months ago, adding that hour-long classes are held every Friday where religion teachers and nuns help the children understand and appreciate the sacrament of the Eucharist. The children will stay in their places, and bishops, clerics, priests, deacons and nuns will approach the children and give them the communion" says Fr. Bader. 50 thousand tickets for the Mass with the Pope have been distributed through the parishes of the Hashemite Kingdom. About 500 young volunteers will be working as ushers at the ceremony. (GV) (Agenzia Fides 19/05/2014)

    http://www.fides.org/en/news/35741-ASIA_JORDAN_1_400_children_to_receive_first_communion_at_Pope_led_mass_at_the_Amman_Stadium


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    Pope Francis compared the Church’s willingness to engage in interreligious dialogue to Christ’s journey on the road to Emmaus. “Such a willingness to walk together is all the more necessary in our time.”


    Now, didn't Francis just say that trads were as bad as the disciples on the road to Emmaus ?

    It sure would be nice if he tried some new material.

    Jesus told us to shake the dust from our feet- such a willingness to shake the dust from our feet is all the more necessary in our time.

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  • A sheik, a rabbi and pope walk into the holy land

     :popcorn:


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  • Quote from: poche
    In a message marking the 50th anniversary of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, Pope Francis said that evangelization and dialogue are distinct but compatible activities.

    The pontifical council was called Secretariat for Non-Christians from 1964 until 1988.

    “Such a dialogue does not imply relativizing the Christian faith, or setting aside the yearning, which dwells in the heart of every disciple, to announce to all the joy of the encounter with Christ,” the Pope said.

    Pope Francis compared the Church’s willingness to engage in interreligious dialogue to Christ’s journey on the road to Emmaus. “Such a willingness to walk together is all the more necessary in our time.”

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=21454


    So the Church was wrong all those years?

    When the dialogue says nothing of the need to convert it makes a mockery of the Catholic Faith.


    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    Cardinal Koch on ecuмenical, interfaith hopes for Holy Land trip

    (Vatican Radio) Pope Francis is due to depart on Saturday for a three day visit to the Holy Land during which he will visit Jordan, Israel and the State of Palestine. At the heart of the brief but action-packed programme is an encounter in Jerusalem with the Ecuмenical Patriarch Bartholomew, leader of the Orthodox world, commemorating the 50th anniversary of the historic meeting between Pope Paul VI and Patriarch Athenagorus. That meeting, in January 1964, marked a vital first step towards reconciliation of Western and Eastern Christianity which had been divided for over a thousand years.

    Pope Francis and Patriarch Bartholomew are scheduled to have a brief private encounter and sign a joint declaration, before presiding at an ecuмenical prayer service with leaders of other Christian Churches in Jerusalem at the Basilica of the Holy Sepulchre.

    Half a century on from their predecessor’s meeting, just how significant will this encounter be for the future of Catholic- Orthodox relations? And beyond its ecuмenical impact, what effect can this papal visit have on the wider interfaith context of the Holy Land today? Philippa Hitchen put those questions to Cardinal Kurt Koch, president of Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity and head of the Commission for Religious Relations with the Jєωs.

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    Q: Beyond being an important anniversary, how significant will this meeting in Jerusalem be?

    A: I think it’s very important to commemorate this first meeting between Pope Paul VI and Patriarch Athenagorus, it’s the beginning of the dialogue. Now we have 50 years of dialogue of love and dialogue of truth and it’s clear that this visit cannot resolve all the problems of the dialogue of truth, but it will deepen the friendship and the brotherhood, the fraternal relations between the Catholic Church of Rome and the Ecuмenical Patriarchate of Constantinople….

    Q: I believe the idea came from the Patriarch who suggested it to the Pope on the day of his inauguration?

    A: Just before (Francis’ inauguration), he had just invited Pope Benedict to come and commemorate. It’s very important and I think the Ecuмenical Patriarch is very engaged to deepen this dialogue with our churches and we have the beautiful tradition of the mutual visits on the feast of our patron Saints Peter and Paul, on June 29th, a high delegation of Constantinople comes to Rome to celebrate with us this feast….on November 30th I go with a delegation to Constantinople for the feast of St Andrew and this is a beautiful tradition.

    Q: How important will this encounter be for other Orthodox Christians outside the Greek Orthodox world, because there have been other Orthodox leaders who are not in favour of this meeting?

    A: I will not comment on the problems between the different Orthodox, I think it’s very important that they can have this pan-orthodox synod in 2016… I hope it this can bring more unity between the Orthodox Churches because I hope this will be a help also for our dialogue with the Orthodox Church. I think many, many Orthodox are in agreement with this meeting between the Patriarch and the Pope Francis…

    Q: It’s also a historic first time that representatives of all the different Christian churches in Jerusalem will pray together inside the church of the Holy Sepulchre – could this be the event that marks a real improvement in ecuмenical relations there in the Holy Land?

    A: (For) the visit of Paul VI in ‘64 he not only met the Ecuмenical Patriarch, but also the Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem and the Patriarch of the Apostolic Armenian Church and I’m very grateful that after the private meeting between the Pope and the Patriarch we can have an ecuмenical celebration in the church in Jerusalem. I think it’s a very beautiful sign that Orthodox and Catholics can pray together…

    Q: Another important focus is the Jєωιѕн- Catholics dimension as the Pope visits Yad Vashem and the Western Wall….what are your expectations for these meetings?

    A: This meeting with the Jєωιѕн people has two levels, first of all the meeting with the authorities of the State of Israel, the president, prime minister and other authorities and I think it’s a very beautiful opportunity to deepen the diplomatic and political relations between the Vatican and the State of Israel. The second level is the meeting with the Chief Rabbinate of Jerusalem and our commission for the religious relations with the Jєωs has a long time dialogue with the two chief rabbinates in Jerusalem and I think this is also a good opportunity to deepen this dialogue with a religious dimension and to prepare new steps for the future.

    Q: On the political and diplomatic level, there have been frustrations over the slow progress towards a final agreement between Israel and the Holy See – can this visit help to make progress here?

    A: I think this is very good for making better the atmosphere, but all the political and diplomatic issues are in the responsibility of the Secretary of State. Our commission is only responsible for the religious dialogue, but we cannot separate these dimensions and every visit of a Holy Father in the Holy Land is an opportunity to prepare a good future

    Q: Pope Francis will also celebrate Mass in the Cenacle which has also been the focus of tensions between the different faith communities in Jerusalem?

    A: I think that is for us a religious dimension, it’s the place where Jesus feasted the Last Supper with his disciples…. this has only a religious dimension and not a political demonstration.

    Q: We’ve seen recent episodes of threats and vandalising of Christian properties – do you think the Pope’s visit can help increase understanding with these extremist groups?

    A: I don’t know what the Holy Father will say on this issue but I hope some Jєωιѕн people will comment on these things and say that it’s not a possible attitude: we can’t have anti-Semitism and we can’t have anti-Christianism in our world

    Q: How important is it that the Pope is taking his friend Rabbi Skorka with him, as well as a Muslim leader from Argentina as well?

    A: I think the Francis has many deep relations with the Jєωs and Muslims in Argentina – I remember just 2 months ago we had a visit of 15 Jєωs, 15 Muslims and 15 Catholics, they had a pilgrimage to Jerusalem and they wanted to come to greet the Holy Father and this was a beautiful meeting and when the Holy Father will go to the Holy Land with these 3 dimensions, the ecuмenical, the relations with Jєωs and interreligious dimension also with the Muslims, and he can have this help from Argentina, I think it’s a beautiful idea.
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic

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    Papal visits to Israel, he said, demonstrate “the remarkable new Catholic and Christian positive affirmation of the roots of its identity and its commitment to the welfare of the Jєωιѕн people.”


    Subtext, We are a subset of Judaism and hence must protect and sacrifice all for our "parents". Our Holy Religion is a gift of the Jєωιѕн People.

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    " because you go round about the sea and the land to make one proselyte; and when he is made, you make him the child of hell twofold more than yourselves."


    The pilgrimage of the conciliar proselytes.
     

     

     

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  • While watching that last YouTube on the 3 Days of Darkness thread, I read this interesting comment on the YouTube URL:

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    This meteor shower is happening as the Pope is entering into Israel to claim a seat in the Upper Room where the Holy Spirit descended at Pentecost. Also the Camelopardalis Constellation was founded in 1613 by Petrus Plancius and Jacob Bartsch who said it represented the camel which Rebecca rode to her wedding with Isaac. All of this right before the anniversary of the Ascension and the Pentecost, I say "Come Lord Jesus, Please Come!
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    While watching that last YouTube on the 3 Days of Darkness thread, I read this interesting comment on the YouTube URL:

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    This meteor shower is happening as the Pope is entering into Israel to claim a seat in the Upper Room where the Holy Spirit descended at Pentecost. Also the Camelopardalis Constellation was founded in 1613 by Petrus Plancius and Jacob Bartsch who said it represented the camel which Rebecca rode to her wedding with Isaac. All of this right before the anniversary of the Ascension and the Pentecost, I say "Come Lord Jesus, Please Come!



     But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth?

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    About 1400 boys and girls from all over Jordan will receive the sacrament of communion for the first time during the Mass that Pope Francis will celbrate on Saturday, May 24 at the Amman International Stadium.


    Only if the service is "concelebrated" by the Orthodox bishop, otherwise, these kids are going to receive blessed bread.

    At least the orders of the Orthodox are actually valid.

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    So the Church was wrong all those years?

    When the dialogue says nothing of the need to convert it makes a mockery of the Catholic Faith.


     :roll-laugh1: :roll-laugh1: :roll-laugh1:

    Didn't you know?  The Church was started in 1958 with the election of Roncalli.

    From the deaths of the Apostles until Roncalli, the Catholic Church was mired in cultural deficiencies and a pre-occupation with doctrine.

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    Quote from: poche
    In a message marking the 50th anniversary of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, Pope Francis said that evangelization and dialogue are distinct but compatible activities.

    The pontifical council was called Secretariat for Non-Christians from 1964 until 1988.

    “Such a dialogue does not imply relativizing the Christian faith, or setting aside the yearning, which dwells in the heart of every disciple, to announce to all the joy of the encounter with Christ,” the Pope said.

    Pope Francis compared the Church’s willingness to engage in interreligious dialogue to Christ’s journey on the road to Emmaus. “Such a willingness to walk together is all the more necessary in our time.”

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=21454


    So the Church was wrong all those years?

    When the dialogue says nothing of the need to convert it makes a mockery of the Catholic Faith.



    The idea is to create an ambiance that is conducive to conversion.