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Ladislaus · « **Reply #40 on:** October 10, 2019, 11:50:47 AM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on October 10, 2019, 11:40:33 AM

They can in a papal election, why not in a vote on heresy?

Does that then constitute a Universal judgment by the Church? How Universal then if nearly half the Church disagrees?

Now, if these 49% were agreeing with Bergoglio that "Jesus is not God", then they too are obviously already outside the Church and their opinion doesn't matter. But if it's a disputed question about a proposition that's a couple of steps logically removed from dogma? What then? Does the 51% have the authority to oust them from the Church? What if the 51% are the ones who are heretical? Now, the Arians could easily have gathered a General Council in which they held majority and booted the non-Arians. What force would that have had?

Much of this is just theory, to help lay out principles, but the reality is much more ugly. Who has the authority to even convene a General Council if there's no universal consensus that one should even be held?

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #41 on:** October 10, 2019, 11:56:07 AM »

Ladislaus-

I don’t know how to say “bullshit” in Latin, but you should write a manual filled with your hallucinations, and send it to the Onion for review.

You could call it De Bullshiticus.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #42 on:** October 10, 2019, 12:03:21 PM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on October 10, 2019, 11:56:07 AM

Ladislaus-

I don’t know how to say “bullshit” in Latin, but you should write a manual filled with your hallucinations, and send it to the Onion for review.

You could call it De Bullshiticus.

Heresy has rendered you mentally insane, Johnson.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #43 on:** October 10, 2019, 12:08:08 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on October 10, 2019, 12:03:21 PM

Heresy has rendered you mentally insane, Johnson.

I hope one day you come back to the Catholic Church.

CatholicInAmerica · « **Reply #44 on:** October 10, 2019, 01:25:47 PM »

Quote from: XavierSem on October 10, 2019, 10:37:46 AM

If in actual fact a Pope can never become a heretic, and the prayer of Jesus that the Faith of St. Peter may not fail (it did not fail, even when he externally denied Christ), which Tradition and Vatican I says is also applicable to his Successors, then the question of deposition doesn't arise. A Pope can be rebuked for making a mistake, like Pope John XXII was. But he will correct himself, or a Successor will correct him. Popes can make pretty tragic mistakes, like St. Bridget says about a Pope being lax on Clerical Celibacy. But a Successor will have to correct that. Our Lord gave it as a prayer, that the faith of St. Peter would not fail, that we too may pray for it.

It's a difficult and complicated question, but it's more likely, everything considered, that the prayer of Jesus Christ can never fail. But however that may be, a Pope can be rebuked whenever he is found, even without pertinacity, to have deviated from the Faith.

So you disagree with bellarmine, he said that no pope has ever deviated from the faith.

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