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Author Topic: Francis Denies Divinity of Christ  (Read 22381 times)

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Re: Francis Denies Divinity of Christ
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2019, 07:37:31 AM »
False; the Vatican regularlydenies what this guy says in his column.

I want to hear it from the horses mouth, not a disreputable atheist trying to project his own opinions to the pope.
Then why on earth does Francis keep offering interviews to the same guy who has apparently lied and misquoted him dozens of times? 

Re: Francis Denies Divinity of Christ
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2019, 08:11:05 AM »
Media wise, it is pretty evident that the "old atheist' ( the term could be applied to Francis as well )is a professional trial balloon floater for Bergoglio.  How many times has this happened before? The Vatican and Francis use this "journalist" as a shield of deniability to float as much heresy as they can get away with, and to gauge  public reaction. if there isn't much, they go ahead with the agenda without scathing Francis. If there is a great outcry, they deny it and retreat for the next neferious anti-Christ moment. I'm totally sick of this manipulation.
I am not a sede but I am seriously considering the Giuffre theory of a living True Pope; banished so that an anti-pope can falsely take the seat and promote apostasy as there is no Grace of the  office for an invalid pope. So- there is a need for a (banished)true Pope so that the invalid anti-pope, not impacted by the Holy Spirit can spread as much destruction as he can. In other words, Francis couldn't exist in his present apsotasy without Benedict, and  the four Vll anti-Popes prior couldn't exist without a living Cardinal Siri.(Pope Gregory XVll)




Re: Francis Denies Divinity of Christ
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2019, 08:15:19 AM »
Then why on earth does Francis keep offering interviews to the same guy who has apparently lied and misquoted him dozens of times?

That’s a very fair and reasonable objection and observation.

All I’m saying is that for something with such immense implications, I want to hear it straight from him.

My question is:

1) If the pope would make a public profession that our Lord was a mere man from the time of the Incarnation until his death, would this suffice for a formal act of apostasy?

2) if so, does this circuмvent the need for the Church to declare his deposition?  

Answer A- It would seem not, since without said declaration, many would not perceive the manifest defection from the faith, and continue to follow authority into apostasy;

Answer B- It would seem so, because if apostasy is manifest, then the following of authority into it would be culpable (manifest means manifest);

Answer C- It would seem not, because even such a reprehensible doctrine is not manifest apostasy, but only implies apostasy (ie., Francis is not declaring he has left the faith, but has embraced a doctrine incompatible with the faith, so his apostasy would be implicit, not manifest).

These are just some of the things I am pondering relative to the news report.

Re: Francis Denies Divinity of Christ
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2019, 08:18:43 AM »
Media wise, it is pretty evident that the "old athiest' ( the term could be applied to Francis as well )is a professional trial balloon floater for Bergoglio.  How many times has this happened before? The Vatican and Francis use this "journalist" as a shield of deniability to float as much heresy as they can get away with, and to gauge  public reaction. if there isn't much, they go ahead with the agenda without scathing Francis. If there is a great outcry, they deny it and retreat for the next neferious anti-Christ moment. 
Entirely plausible.  But to make any personal conclusions, I still need the smoking gun.

Re: Francis Denies Divinity of Christ
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2019, 08:24:32 AM »
I think that's the point. There will never be a smoking gun to implicate Francis directly. It is advancement of the agenda in the most insidious and indirect way as possible. Quite evil and brilliant.