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Author Topic: Francis Denies Divinity of Christ  (Read 22399 times)

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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Francis Denies Divinity of Christ
« Reply #120 on: October 12, 2019, 06:44:14 PM »
As is typical, he says something that will come across as heretical to many/most but is theoretically possible to interpret in an orthodox way. (This theoretical possibility does not make it acceptable.) I found this one especially infuriating because he is basically admitting that he does this deliberately.  He is implying that it is OK for him to say things that sound heretical.  He doesn't care if it confuses people.  The man who has the supreme teaching authority in the Church is not even going to try to state things so that they are clearly orthodox.

He has repeatedly shown contempt for people who care about orthodoxy and theological precision.  These things are not important to him and he thinks that there is something wrong with the people who do think it is important.  He is failing his responsibility as pope and I consider his behaviour to be spiritual abuse of his charges.

I wouldn't call it heresy, strictly speaking, but unbelievably damaging to the Church and to humanity which relies on the Church for the truth.




Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: Francis Denies Divinity of Christ
« Reply #121 on: October 12, 2019, 07:37:47 PM »
As is typical, he says something that will come across as heretical to many/most but is theoretically possible to interpret in an orthodox way. (This theoretical possibility does not make it acceptable.) I found this one especially infuriating because he is basically admitting that he does this deliberately.  He is implying that it is OK for him to say things that sound heretical.  He doesn't care if it confuses people.  The man who has the supreme teaching authority in the Church is not even going to try to state things so that they are clearly orthodox.

He has repeatedly shown contempt for people who care about orthodoxy and theological precision.  These things are not important to him and he thinks that there is something wrong with the people who do think it is important.  He is failing his responsibility as pope and I consider his behaviour to be spiritual abuse of his charges.

I wouldn't call it heresy, strictly speaking, but unbelievably damaging to the Church and to humanity which relies on the Church for the truth.
Sorry Jaynek, that IS heresy, “strictly speaking”, and he knows it. He admits it! And....guess what? He doesn’t care one iota! All your excuses, cringing, and wishful thinking is for naught. 


Re: Francis Denies Divinity of Christ
« Reply #122 on: October 12, 2019, 10:39:47 PM »
"The claim you are making, however, is that "Yeshu" is an acronym from a curse. "

We have known of this acronym since the convert Nicholas Donin revealed it to us in 1240 A.D.

Amusing that you choose Wikipedia as your source. Have you ever tried to correct or provide evidence against any Jєωιѕн narrative on Wikipedia? I have. I no longer waste my time. Even the most gentle corrections revert to the Jєωιѕн narrative within milliseconds.
Actually the name "Jesus" comes from the phrase "God saves."

Re: Francis Denies Divinity of Christ
« Reply #123 on: October 12, 2019, 10:45:27 PM »

He said "Jesus became a devil" using the exact wording that he used to say "Jesus became sin," meaning it the same way. Whether one translates it as "sin" or "sin offering" it refers to the expiation of our sins on the Cross by taking them upon Himself.  "Jesus became sin (offering)" is a traditional, orthodox teaching and does not mean that Our Lord ever sinned.  It does not contradict the fact of his sinlessness.

Obviously "Jesus became the devil" seems wrong when taken in isolation, but this was a basically sound meditation taken as a whole.  It is unfortunate that this is distracting you from more serious problems in the papacy.
When he said, "Jesus became sin" he was quoting from St Paul. 

Re: Francis Denies Divinity of Christ
« Reply #124 on: October 12, 2019, 10:47:14 PM »
Unacceptable, infuriating? How about heretical? Is what he said heretical, Jaynek?
He was quoting St Paul. Are you saying that St Paul the evangelist was a heretic?