Author Topic: Francis Apostolic Exhortation Evangelli Guadium (Read 5978 times)

poche · « **Reply #15 on:** November 28, 2013, 11:52:01 PM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

And another excerpt:

"The other is the self-absorbed promethean neopelagianism of those who ultimately trust only in their own powers and feel superior to others because they observe certain rules or remain intransigently faithful to a particular Catholic style from the past. A supposed soundness of doctrine or discipline leads instead to a narcissistic and authoritarian elitism, whereby instead of evangelizing, one analyzes and classifies others, and instead of opening the door to grace, one exhausts his or her energies in inspecting and verifying. In neither case is one really concerned about Jesus Christ or others. These are manifestations of an anthropocentric immanentism. It is impossible to think that a genuine evangelizing thrust could emerge from these adulterated forms of Christianity."

St John of the Cross wrote about this situation in "The Dark Night of the Soul."

poche · « **Reply #16 on:** November 28, 2013, 11:55:14 PM »

"It is also true that at times greater emphasis is placed on the outward expressions and traditions of some groups, or on alleged private revelations which would replace all else, than on the impulse of Christian piety. There is a kind of Christianity made up of devotions reflecting an individual and sentimental faith life which does not in fact correspond to authentic “popular piety””

Might one of those "groups" he mentions be the SSPX?

Might one of these groups be Medjugorje?

poche · « **Reply #17 on:** November 28, 2013, 11:56:52 PM »

"Interreligious dialogue is a necessary condition for peace in the world, and so it is a duty for Christians as well as other religious communities."

No, Holy Father, it is NOT a duty. It is YOUR duty to make sure that souls are saved and the world converts to the One, True Church. YOU allow them to wallow in their false religions and YOU pat them on the back and even worship with them. YOU will be held accountable for this. To whom much has been given much will be required. You've been given the greatest office on Heaven and Earth, that of Vicar of Christ. One day, you will have to wake up. YOU have to convert and likewise convert others, not to the sentimentality you preach but to the True Church.

How do you propose that we make sure that souls are saved and the world converts to the one true Church if we don't engage them in some sort of dialogue?

poche · « **Reply #18 on:** November 28, 2013, 11:58:29 PM »

Quote from: StCeciliasGirl

I skipped to the end and saw this and figured it's all I really needed to see:

Quote from: Bergoglio
I beg the Lord to grant us more politicians—

Did he sign it "666", too? Maybe this is TOO easy. He had a tweet today asking for suggestions how to pope better. For real. The responses are a bit humourous but mostly foul. So no link. I fear he got the response he wanted.

Maybe if they could be authentically practicing politicians?

poche · « **Reply #19 on:** November 29, 2013, 12:01:22 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: 2Vermont
And another excerpt:

"The other is the self-absorbed promethean neopelagianism ...

He just said that you can be saved by following the natural lights of conscience, without supernatural faith and charity. If that isn't Pelagianism, then nothing is.

Both St John of the Cross and Theresa of Avila write about the self absorbed and how it is an impediment to holiness.