He's a real man of action. Already an encyclical, and now this! :tv-disturbed:

Young pretty nuns sporting smartphones and driving BMW 3-hundred series...

???

As for priests who must travel, a nicer made car will withstand the workload of driving constantly to provide the sacraments to the faithful who are deprived because of the fruits of VII.

Who is buying these fancy cars for the novus ordites?

Nuns using smartphones?  It's almost surreal unless it's a teaching order.

Then again, having cellphones would be handy if the Mother Superior wants to call a meeting.

It is good that Pope Francis is looking into this....   :roll-laugh2:

Come on now.  I understand that people here think Pope Francis somewhere between a wildly heretical pope and...well... a wild heretic who thinks he is pope, but what is objectionable about what he said here.  Do you think priests SHOULD drive expensive cars.  Do you think any of the Resistance priests drive ostentatious  cars? if a statement is right, it's right, not matter how much may may not like the person who said it.  

It is a problem of credibility when a religous who has made a vow of poverty lives a life of luxury. Some people make a vow giving up ownership of all material possesions and then they live a lifestyle that the people around them can only dream of? Who do they think they are kidding?
I remember a certain priest complaining about the high mileage on his car and how he needed to get a new one. the high mileage was close to 50,000 miles. Nobody in the room that I knew of had ever owned a car that had less than 80,000 miles.  

I don't know any priests who own expensive cars.  If anything the Trad priests I know have slightly better cars than the novus ordinarians.  But seriously, what priest has a new Jag, S class Merc, E-class Merc or Lexus?

Perhaps Argentina is full of priests like this, but the UK is not.

Some Trad priests do a lot of miles.  I am not sure it makes sense for them to be dealing with breakdowns and repairs instead of giving people the sacraments.  Think of them like sales reps, who are doing a job that is far more important than the devaluation of their car.  No company buys their sales reps cheap second hand cars, because that is being penny-wise pound foolish.

There is a shortage of priests.  The last thing we need is them stuck at home because their car has broken down or queuing for a bus.  Specifically, on the question of Trad priests, a significant number of them have been killed at the wheel in road accidents over the years.  I would not begrudge a road warrior priest a $30,000 car as opposed to a $20,000 (cheap) car.

In addition, if you do any serious miles in a car, you will get tired and uncomfortable.

Take my word for it, if you have never done it, but 1000 miles per week in a decent car with less wind noise, road noise, vibration leaves one a lot less tired than 1000 miles in a cheap car.

If Francis wants to save money he should kick out the perverts causing the church to get sued every few weeks.

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Quote from: Sigismund

Come on now.  I understand that people here think Pope Francis is somewhere between a wildly heretical pope and...well... a wild heretic who thinks he is pope, but what is objectionable about what he said here?  Do you think priests SHOULD drive expensive cars?  Do you think any of the Resistance priests drive ostentatious cars? If a statement is right, it's right, no matter how much you may not like the person who said it.  

Okay, my post does not even resemble English.  I am fixing it here.  I deserved the down thumb for typing it so poorly.  

Okay.  Now it's fine.  :)  


But as for content, it seems ggreg got a leg up on Sigismund, alas:

ggreg said:

If Francis wants to save money he should kick out the perverts causing the church to get sued every few weeks.



In that regard, one must wonder:  What's the hold-up?  Why has
Pope Francis not touched this plague with a 10-foot pole?  Too much
voltage?  (Electrical workers will appreciate that snipe.)

And by extension, why is HEBF* so obsessed with patching up ties
with modernist perverts in Rome if HEBF doesn't have any queer
skeletons in his own closet?  



*His Eagerness B. Fellay

I don't know any priests who own expensive cars.  If anything the Trad priests I know have slightly better cars than the novus ordinarians.  But seriously, what priest has a new Jag, S class Merc, E-class Merc or Lexus?

Perhaps Argentina is full of priests like this, but the UK is not.

Some Trad priests do a lot of miles.  I am not sure it makes sense for them to be dealing with breakdowns and repairs instead of giving people the sacraments.  Think of them like sales reps, who are doing a job that is far more important than the devaluation of their car.  No company buys their sales reps cheap second hand cars, because that is being penny-wise pound foolish.

There is a shortage of priests.  The last thing we need is them stuck at home because their car has broken down or queuing for a bus.  Specifically, on the question of Trad priests, a significant number of them have been killed at the wheel in road accidents over the years.  I would not begrudge a road warrior priest a $30,000 car as opposed to a $20,000 (cheap) car.

In addition, if you do any serious miles in a car, you will get tired and uncomfortable.

Take my word for it, if you have never done it, but 1000 miles per week in a decent car with less wind noise, road noise, vibration leaves one a lot less tired than 1000 miles in a cheap car.

If Francis wants to save money he should kick out the perverts causing the church to get sued every few weeks.

  oh how I've missed your posts!

There's a reddit thread in r/news (yes, news!) — don't bother, they're mostly atheists who are offended that Francis is a "bigot" (gαy marriage). But some good points were made there re: how far priests have to travel, how their cars would need to be reliable, etc.

I'd add that the most brilliant priests I've met (Ind. trad, SSPX, and two Anglican Uses) are ANCIENT (literally, one is nearing 90!). They need good shocks, reliable air conditioning, excellent safety features. I recently mentioned that my current priest could use a Volvo that parks itself (I'm a Saab girl myself, but they're no more, and Swedish is Swedish). Volvo is working on one that literally valet parks itself; no driver needed, which would be nice for the older priests. But my priest likes his giant tank Crown Vic. I'm not sure what those cost, but it got him safely and quickly to the hospital last week when my husband was in an accident.

I think this false humility creeping into the hive mind of the NewChurch could be dangerous. No, a new 24yo priest doesn't need a Jag with which to attract boyfriends, but a decent $50K car for the services a real priest renders doesn't seem outrageous at all. I don't like this oncoming witch hunt for "fancy" priest cars; what a priest drives is his business.

(If they have "eucharistic woman-pride ministers" , though, make those "priests" walk. —Downrange.)