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Offline Petertherock

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Francis abolishes Monsignors
« on: January 05, 2014, 05:46:18 AM »
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  • If I have to read about how Frank is a humble Pope again I am going to  :barf:

    Also, what the heck is careerism in the Catholic Church? Does Frank want priests to quit after a few years or what?

    http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/31027/

    Pope abolishes honorary title of monsignor for diocesan priests under the age of 65

    Seeking to eliminate careerism in the Catholic clergy, Pope Francis has abolished the conferral of the title of ‘monsignor’ on secular or diocesan priests under the age of 65

    GERARD O'CONNELL
    ROME
    In a new move aimed at reforming the clergy and eliminating careerism in the Catholic Church, Pope Francis has abolished the conferral of the Pontifical Honor of ‘Monsignor’ on secular priests under the age of 65.
     
    Henceforth, the only Pontifical Honor that will be conferred on ‘secular priests’  will be that of ‘Chaplain to His Holiness’ and this will be conferred only on ‘worthy priests’ who are over 65 years of age. (‘Secular priests’ are priests in a diocese, who are not monks or members of religious institutes or orders).
     
    The Vatican’s Secretariat of State has communicated this news to Apostolic Nuncios around the world, and has asked them to inform all bishops in their respective countries of the decision in this regard taken by Pope Francis.
     
    Thus, for example, on January 2, the Apostolic Nuncio to Great Britain, Archbishop Antonio Mennini, wrote to all the bishops in Great Britain to inform them of the Pope’s decision.  He confirmed that “the privileges in this regard” that have already been granted by the Roman Pontiff to “physical or juridical persons” remain in force.  This would suggest that the papal decree is not retroactive, those who are already monsignors will not lose their title.
     
    The decision does not come as a surprise to those who know Pope Francis.  A humble man, he has always been averse to ecclesiastical titles, and when he was bishop and later cardinal in Argentina he always asked people to call him ‘Father’,  instead of ‘My Lord’, ‘Your Grace’ or ‘Your Eminence’; he is convinced that the name ‘Father’ best reflects  the mission that has been entrusted to a priest, bishop or cardinal.  Indeed, during his tenure as archbishop of Buenos Aires (1998-2013), he never asked the Holy See to confer the title of ‘monsignor’ on any priest in the archdiocese.
     
    In taking this decision, Pope Francis is building on the reform in this area of ecclesiastical titles that was introduced by Paul VI in 1968, in the wake of the Second Vatican Council. Before Paul VI’s reform there were 14 grades of ‘monsignor’, he reduced them to the three ranks that exist today: Apostolic Protonotary, Honorary Prelate of His Holiness, Chaplain of His Holiness.   The original titles dated back to the pontificate of Pope Urban VIII (1623-1644).
     
    These three honors are granted by the Pope, usually on the proposal of the local bishop, to Catholic priests who have rendered particularly valuable service to the Church.  The priests are given these Pontifical Honors may be addressed as ‘Monsignor’ and has certain privileges, such as those regarding ecclesiastical dress and vestments.
     
    Many bishops have tended to use the honor as a way of rewarding priests who are particularly loyal to them, or to promote priests who have showed particular initiative, but not infrequently priests in their dioceses have read it in a different light. Just before Christmas, a senior Vatican prelate told me that Pope Francis had recently refused the request of one bishop who had asked him to confer the title of ‘Monsignor’ on no less than 12 priests in his diocese.  Another source told me that in some countries the Pontifical Honor is conferred in a ceremony that, sometimes, is far from the style of Church that Francis desires.
     
    The Pope’s decision does not make any changes regarding the conferral of Pontifical Honors for Religious and Lay people, the Vatican Secretariat of State stated in its communication to the nuncios.  It said the same conditions apply as previously for such honors, as does the mode for requesting them.


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    Francis abolishes Monsignors
    « Reply #1 on: January 05, 2014, 05:13:03 PM »
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  • Eliminating careerism in the Catholic Church, eh ?

    we would not want those priests to do a good job now would we ?


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    Francis abolishes Monsignors
    « Reply #2 on: January 05, 2014, 07:22:34 PM »
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  • This clown is the antithesis of humble. True humility would entail accepting the traditions of the Church.
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine

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    Francis abolishes Monsignors
    « Reply #3 on: January 05, 2014, 07:24:09 PM »
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  • Quote from: Charlemagne
    This clown is the antithesis of humble. True humility would entail accepting the traditions of the Church.


    I was thinking something along these lines:  for someone so humble, he sure does change a lot.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Francis abolishes Monsignors
    « Reply #4 on: January 05, 2014, 09:41:22 PM »
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  • I saw a story about Frank not calling seminarians priests anymore...but it was from a satire site. It's pretty bad when you see something so ridiculous but you think it could be true with this "pope"!

     


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    Francis abolishes Monsignors
    « Reply #5 on: January 07, 2014, 02:15:39 AM »
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  • Quote from: Petertherock
    I saw a story about Frank not calling seminarians priests anymore...but it was from a satire site. It's pretty bad when you see something so ridiculous but you think it could be true with this "pope"!

     

    Seminarians are not priests until they recieve the sacrament of ordination.

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    Francis abolishes Monsignors
    « Reply #6 on: January 07, 2014, 02:18:27 AM »
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  • Commenting on Pope Francis allegedly restricting the honorary title of “monsignor” to priests over the age of 65, one historian has suggested that the move could be a return to traditional practices.

    On Jan. 4, Italian daily La Stampa reported that “henceforth, the only Pontifical Honor that will be conferred on 'secular priests' will be that of 'Chaplain to His Holiness' and this will be conferred only on 'worthy priests' who are over 65 years of age.”

    Dr. James Hitchcock, professor emeritus of history at St. Louis University, told CNA/EWTN News Jan. 6 that the honorary title had been one given “almost always to senior priests, very few in number.”

    “It meant, in effect, this was a man who deserved, or was qualified, to be a bishop, so we're honoring him with the title of monsignor, and he can wear some of the episcopal garments, so in a way (Pope Francis' decision) seems almost like a return to that.”

    “Monsignor” is an honorary title bestowed on priests which makes them members of the Papal Household; the title is granted by the Pope on the recommendation of local bishops, and entitles priests to certain privileges of dress and precedence in choir. Prior to Paul VI, there were 14 grades of the title, but he reduced them to three in 1968.

    In his motu proprio “Pontificalis Domus,” Paul VI said that “many of the attributions given to the members of the Papal Household have been deprived of their function” and are “purely honorary” and no longer “correspond to the concrete realities of the times.”

    The docuмent simplified the Papal Household, retaining what Paul VI held to be “essential and vital” while removing those positions deemed “nominal, decorative, exterior.”

    “The honorary ecclesiastical titles will comprise, henceforth, only three categories of Protonotaries Apostolic (numerary and supernumerary), Prelates of Honor of His Holiness, and Chaplains of His Holiness,” wrote Paul VI. “All other categories are abolished.”

    According to La Stampa, Pope Francis has further reformed the practice, such that the sole remaining grade of monsignor is “Chaplain to His Holiness.” However, the Vatican has not publicly released any docuмent or statement confirming the modification.

    Under the rules established by Paul VI, Chaplains to His Holiness could be appointed after 10 years of priesthood and 35 years of age, but Pope Francis has increased the age requirement to 65 years.

    Hitchcock supposed that the new policy could lead to some standardization across the Church, saying that “full of … anomalies” with “such enormous variation: some dioceses where the bishop in effect stopped making monsignors some time ago, and others where they make large numbers.”

    According to La Stampa, those priests who have already been named monsignors will not lose the title, citing a Jan. 2 letter from Archbishop Antonio Mennini, apostolic nuncio to Great Britain, to the bishops of that country notifying them of the change.

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/reported-limit-on-monsignor-may-be-return-to-older-practice/

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    Francis abolishes Monsignors
    « Reply #7 on: January 07, 2014, 05:14:26 PM »
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  • OK, so when will the "translation" of this come out?

    Everything from Jorge the Humble seems to have to be "translated" for the English among us to 'understand' being as English isn't his native tongue.
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14