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And your point is what, icterus?

As usual, your reading skills appear to be lacking.

The pithy comment "The Latin Mass has been trending for 2,000 years" (or something close to it) was made (which I think is pretty cute) and I simply corrected it to 'about 1,700'.  The other posted asked me to clarify, and we have been discussing.  

That's all.  It's a side topic in a discussion about Pope Francis.  I can see how a topic within a topic would probably blow all of your mental fuses.  

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It is true that the Church does not say that the Mass has to be celebrated everywhere in Latin. She has had any number of valid Masses in the vernacular: Slavonic (Glagolitic), Ukrainian, Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Ethiopic etc. Even though the Mass is celebrated in many places in the vernacular, the vernacular is NOT the norm. The norm is established by the Church.  And the Roman Church decided long before Trent that the language of the rite in the churches in the territories specifically belonging to the Patriarch of the West (the Roman Pontiff) was not the vernacular but Latin.

Yeah.  I know.  Again, you need to work on your reading comprehension..your typing skills are obviously fine.

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Deviation from this in a widespread manner is a novelty, not a return to antiquity, as some will have us believe.

SJB, you have your cranium so far in your own duodenum that you aren't following any of the discussions taking place.  I'm not arguing for the vernacular.  As you and the rest of the slack-jawed idiots seem eternally destined to keep forgetting, I'm a TLM'er.  

Apparently, calling for honest argumentation that has rigor is far too complicated and nuanced a position for you to understand, and when your fuses blow, all you can come back to us 'Ugh, Icterus Bad.  Icterus bad so he must like the Novus Ordo.  Novus Ordo Bad!  Icterus Bad!  Icterus bad heretic!" and so forth.

 

Meltdown alert.  

Thanks, icterus.

I notice nobody is saying anything about the serious attitude problem that Icterus has.
Seriously, what an asshole.

Icterus I dont think you are nearly as intelligent as you claim to be. I think that you are so high on your own unjustified pride that you condemn others because you secretly want to condemn yourself. Really, this is what I think of you. I feel sorry for you, and have prayed for you, but this insulting everyone with what you think is cultured slights has got to stop. You are not a better Catholic than me. You know nothing about me, nor what I have suffered for the faith, and Im not going to tell you either. You are not a man if you think you can say that shit to people who you dont know and could probably learn from. I read lots of theology and other things, but you dont see me claiming to be better than everyone else do you? I have retained my humanity with my faith. And PS, dont forget that you know nothing about who you insult. I thought we were all friends here, but apparently you use this forum as a vehicle with which to insult people whom you KNOW to be devout Catholics. And no, you do not bother me, and I dont think you are capible of it, because I couldnt give a F what you think of me or anybody else.

Cherrio. :smoke-pot: :cool:

I notice nobody is saying anything about the serious attitude problem that Icterus has.

I rebuked him yesterday for calling someone an idiot. I quoted the Gospel where Jesus warned that you could go to hell for calling another man a fool. He said that people often insult him here too, so I guess it goes both ways.

Why would you "correct" such a thing, when you know exactly what is meant?

Because, dearest SJB who knows not ever of what you speak, there is a strain of thought in Catholic Traditionalism once popularized by followers of Fr. Gruner which stated that Jesus taught the Mass in Latin, essentially as it was at the time of Trent, to the Apostles between the Resurrection and the Ascension.  

That is nuttiness.  An informed Catholic knows that the Mass took several hundred years (of well-known and attested ecclesial history) to reach that form.  And, anyone should know about at least the Gregorian reforms.  

So, it's another crackpot notion which is out there, Cathinfo seems like exactly the kind of place it would pop up, and so I spoke out about it.  

As is my privilege until Matthew decides otherwise.  

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I notice nobody is saying anything about the serious attitude problem that Icterus has.
Seriously, what an asshole.

I'd get a language warning for that.

Yeah well it was said to describe your bad attitude. Matthew probably thinks that you need to be taken down several notches, so I have gotton no warning so far. But sure, report me to him and let him read the whole thread. I think he is man enough to tell you straight out to take it like a man and change your childish attitude.

He ought to apologize to everyone he has slighted and then go to confession and confess his mockery of others to a priest.

As I've noted before, I've been threatened with actual bodily harm by a few of the worst nutcases on here, and one grand-high-poohbah idiot told me he'd actually kill me on sight, because he and I took differing paths to reconcile how scripture describes the hare as a ruminant.

So go sell your crap somewhere else.  I'm responsible for my own sins, but good gravy, I'm not the problem here.  You nutters are.

I don't know enough about Pope Francis to know if he actually has a hatred of Traditional Catholics or the Traditional Latin Mass.  However, he was a relatively young man when Vatican II happened.  If he thinks change is perfectly natural, it is for material things and secular ideas, but if he thinks the Deposit of Faith is something to blend with the times, then he may as well be an avowed opponent of Tradition because he is one.  

Does anyone here have any other guesses as to why Pope Francis would take a pot shot at some a small and harmless group?