Author Topic: Francis: "The Latin Mass is rather a kind of fashion." (Read 7961 times)

icterus · « **Reply #30 on:** February 16, 2014, 09:58:56 PM »

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Of course, if not for the sole reason that the Holy Ghost gave them all the gift of tongues

On Pentecost. We have no idea whether it was extended. The presence of the attested interpreter and his authorship of Peter's gospel account would lead one to think not.

In any case, the Mass was in Greek before it was in Latin, and theresimply isn't any extant Catholic Latin before Tertullian, a century and half after St Peter.

Geremia · « **Reply #31 on:** February 16, 2014, 10:38:26 PM »

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Of course, if not for the sole reason that the Holy Ghost gave them all the gift of tongues

On Pentecost. We have no idea whether it was extended.

Is there any reason to doubt it wasn't "extended"?

icterus · « **Reply #32 on:** February 16, 2014, 11:06:37 PM »

Yes, as I posted, Irenaeus' testimony that Peter needed Mark as either a scribe or a translator or both. Further, if one reads the actual Pentecost account, one can see that the more persuasive interpretation of the text is that all of the foreigners present heard the preaching in their own tongue simultaneously, indicating it was a miracle of hearing, not of speaking.

LaramieHirsch · « **Reply #33 on:** February 17, 2014, 02:00:52 AM »

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I have never been accused of being fashionable before. Funny it should come from someone who got his picture on the cover of Rolling Stone.

This is so great. I wish I could have thought to have said this first. You win.

SJB · « **Reply #34 on:** February 17, 2014, 09:41:08 AM »

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ICTERUS is correct in saying that there were some minor word changes here and there. Some of those changes may have been with the addition of new dogmas or adding prayers for new saint days. Some changes may have just been clarifications or additions to procedural prayers.

Nobody denies this but icterus is wrongly implying the NOM is somehow just another change in the Roman Missal.

icterus · « **Reply #35 on:** February 17, 2014, 09:50:26 AM »

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Nobody denies this but icterus is wrongly implying the NOM is somehow just another change in the Roman Missal.

No, SJB, as usual you are a day late and a ton of reading comprehension short. I'm saying that it the Pope's position, and I'm challenging people to refute it logically and consistently, instead of poorly.

Work, really work, on that English comprehension. It will provide benefits you can't even dream of.

Geremia · « **Reply #36 on:** February 17, 2014, 09:55:33 AM »

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Nobody denies this but icterus is wrongly implying the NOM is somehow just another change in the Roman Missal.

Even Paul VI essentially said it was something new and shocking for the faithful.

icterus · « **Reply #37 on:** February 17, 2014, 10:27:50 AM »

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Even Paul VI essentially said it was something new and shocking for the faithful.

So does Icterus.

soulguard · « **Reply #38 on:** February 17, 2014, 10:59:00 AM »

It all comes down to this in the long run:

The mass of St Pius the fifth was canonized by him, the novus ordo on the other hand does not have that eternal protection, and one day, say in 50 years time when all of the noveltus orditities are dead due to old age, no, maybe 20 years time, well, anyhow it is inevitable, but what i am saying with this post is that the novus ordo will die eventually and within my lifetime, and the true mass of St Pius the 5th ++++++ will be the only valid alternative available to the western church. The fruits of the true mass are obvious, whereas there is nothing in the novus ordo except protestantism and rejection of church mind. So in the long run the vatican must admit that, and they must throw in their money with the only group that hold to church teaching.

soulguard · « **Reply #39 on:** February 17, 2014, 11:01:08 AM »

We should all also pray to St Pius the 5th that we will get ever greater love of the true mass.

Do you know what? I confessed all my sins to priests ordained in the old rite ( just to be sure of my absolution), and when I went to the SSPX mass this sunday, I tell ya, the blessed sacrament never tasted so sweet.

soulguard · « **Reply #40 on:** February 17, 2014, 11:04:16 AM »

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Even Paul VI essentially said it was something new and shocking for the faithful.

So does Icterus.

I did not downthumb you Icterus, but maybe you could put something more humble in your signature other than praise of yourself. Look at the long prayer in my signature, I wrote that myself and I ever write things like this as a hobby. When i get tempted I can read my own writings and inspire myself towards holiness by reminding me of my occasional zeal. Just a kind piece of advice from someone who is not perfect, but who will be made perfect in Christ Jesus if I have anything to do with it.

icterus · « **Reply #41 on:** February 17, 2014, 11:13:22 AM »

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I did not downthumb you Icterus, but maybe you could put something more humble in your signature other than praise of yourself. Look at the long prayer in my signature, I wrote that myself and I ever write things like this as a hobby. When i get tempted I can read my own writings and inspire myself towards holiness by reminding me of my occasional zeal. Just a kind piece of advice from someone who is not perfect, but who will be made perfect in Christ Jesus if I have anything to do with it.

...said the humorless Pharisee to the publican.

icterus · « **Reply #42 on:** February 17, 2014, 11:17:26 AM »

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when I went to the SSPX mass this sunday, I tell ya, the blessed sacrament never tasted so sweet.

Be careful, sugar can render the matter invalid, and sweet taste would be a reason to suspect invalidity...

soulguard · « **Reply #43 on:** February 17, 2014, 11:24:40 AM »

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I did not downthumb you Icterus, but maybe you could put something more humble in your signature other than praise of yourself. Look at the long prayer in my signature, I wrote that myself and I ever write things like this as a hobby. When i get tempted I can read my own writings and inspire myself towards holiness by reminding me of my occasional zeal. Just a kind piece of advice from someone who is not perfect, but who will be made perfect in Christ Jesus if I have anything to do with it.

...said the humorless Pharisee to the publican.

Just out of curiosity, what are you "well informed" in?
Since you have it in your signature I have my curiosity evoked.

soulguard · « **Reply #44 on:** February 17, 2014, 11:26:11 AM »

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when I went to the SSPX mass this sunday, I tell ya, the blessed sacrament never tasted so sweet.

Be careful, sugar can render the matter invalid, and sweet taste would be a reason to suspect invalidity...

You dont seriously believe that they put sugar on the sacrament at an SSPX church...
I meant spiritually sweet.