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Geremia · « **on:** February 15, 2014, 02:55:26 PM »

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/02/important-pope-francis-on-feb-14-young.html

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Pope Francis on Feb. 14: "Old Mass? Just a kind of fashion!"

Yesterday (Friday, Feb. 14), Pope Francis held an audience with the Bishops of the Czech Republic who came to Rome for their ad limina visit.

In the visit, as it usually happens in such cases, other than the formal address, the Pope heard the questions and comments of the bishops. Archbishop Jan Graubner, of Olomouc, told the Czech section of Vatican Radio how it went:

[Abp. Jan Graubner speaks:] When we were discussing those who are fond of the ancient liturgy and wish to return to it, it was evident that the Pope speaks with great affection, attention, and sensitivity for all in order not to hurt anyone. However, he made a quite strong statement when he said that he understands when the old generation returns to what it experienced, but that he cannot understand the younger generation wishing to return to it. "When I search more thoroughly - the Pope said - I find that it is rather a kind of fashion [in Czech: 'móda', Italian 'moda']. And if it is a fashion, therefore it is a matter that does not need that much attention. It is just necessary to show some patience and kindness to people who are addicted to a certain fashion. But I consider greatly important to go deep into things, because if we do not go deep, no liturgical form, this or that one, can save us."

soulguard · « **Reply #1 on:** February 15, 2014, 03:00:21 PM »

That man has no Catholic faith in him whatsoever and his election was invalid to begin with and also if he ever had been the pope his election is utterly and completely null and void and he is now to be deemed as an apostate by the church and he will be remembered as one.

Matto · « **Reply #2 on:** February 15, 2014, 03:03:50 PM »

The old Mass is much more beautiful than the Novus Ordo and I don't even understand Latin and don't use a missal. It is wonderful and the Novus Ordo is banal. I remember watching a video of Francis saying a Novus Ordo "Mass" before he was pope. He had people dressed up in hideous puppets. One of the puppets looked like Disney's Pinocchio. It was hideous. I don't understand how people can do such ugly things and think they are pleasing to God.

icterus · « **Reply #3 on:** February 15, 2014, 03:53:59 PM »

On the other hand, the part of the glass that it half full is his assertion that going deeply into liturgy is salvific.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #4 on:** February 15, 2014, 04:16:45 PM »

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Thank you Geremia, for this.

Quote from: Geremia said Abp Jan Graubner said Pope Francis

"When I search more thoroughly - the Pope said - I find that it [the ancient liturgy, the TLM] is rather a kind of fashion [in Czech: 'móda', Italian 'moda']. And if it is a fashion, therefore it is a matter that does not need that much attention. It is just necessary to show some patience and kindness to people who are addicted to a certain fashion. But I consider greatly important to go deep into things, because if we do not go deep, no liturgical form, this or that one, can save us."

Write it down on a 3x5 index card, to share with your friends at Mass tomorrow!!!

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ggreg · « **Reply #5 on:** February 15, 2014, 04:17:20 PM »

It is kind of Passion.

bowler · « **Reply #6 on:** February 15, 2014, 04:50:27 PM »

Quote from: Geremia said Abp Jan Graubner said Pope Francis

.. the Pope said - I find that it [the ancient liturgy, the TLM] is rather a kind of fashion [in Czech: 'móda', Italian 'moda']. And if it is a fashion, therefore it is a matter that does not need that much attention.

To Pope Francis way of thinking the Novus Ordo is a temporary fashion also, as everything is in perpetual flux, change for him, the liturgy, faith, morals, doctrine, all in perpetual change. Therefore, don't be surprised that he calls the Latin Mass a fashion.

crossbro · « **Reply #7 on:** February 15, 2014, 05:21:38 PM »

Well, Pope francis heretic is just a kind of trend... like pet rocks or rubic cube

soulguard · « **Reply #8 on:** February 15, 2014, 08:04:26 PM »

St Pius the 5th Canonized the tridentine mass. So how could it be just a fashion? The novus ordo missae was never canonised, and in fact THAT is the fashion, and the fashion of liberals.

Luker · « **Reply #9 on:** February 15, 2014, 08:37:28 PM »

:sad: sigh :sad:

LoverOfTradition · « **Reply #10 on:** February 15, 2014, 08:58:32 PM »

Pope St. Pius V called down the wrath of God and the Apostles, Peter and Paul on anyone who would dare touch the Latin Mass. What would he do now that his Successor is saying something so disgraceful?

It's a disgrace! The Latin Mass is the True Mass, where God is given the greatest glory and not the people!

Anathamize the Novus Ordo! The sooner, the better!

Mabel · « **Reply #11 on:** February 15, 2014, 09:05:11 PM »

I have never been accused of being fashionable before. Funny it should come from someone who got his picture on the cover of Rolling Stone.

2Vermont · « **Reply #12 on:** February 16, 2014, 06:36:13 AM »

I have to think that God is getting angrier and angrier.

TKGS · « **Reply #13 on:** February 16, 2014, 07:50:54 AM »

This is nothing new. Wojtya believed that interest in the traditional Mass was merely a love of nostalgia on the part of some people who would come around eventually. Bergoglio has the same outlook.

icterus · « **Reply #14 on:** February 16, 2014, 09:49:18 AM »

LoT said:

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Pope St. Pius V called down the wrath of God and the Apostles, Peter and Paul on anyone who would dare touch the Latin Mass.

As has been said many times, there were many changes to the TLM between 1570 and 1970.