Author Topic: Fr Robinson's new book "The Realist Guide to Religion and Science" (Read 8695 times)

cathman7 · « **Reply #25 on:** February 25, 2018, 03:07:20 PM »

The Pope Francis reference seems to me a throwaway as if to tell the reader "Look we respect Pope Francis. We are not bad guys!" Ridiculous... Pope Francis -- let alone his predecessors -- are now firmly in the "realist" tradition? Nonsense! Are we to believe that Pope Francis is rooted in the "realist" (Aristotelian/Thomist) tradition? Didn't Bishop Fellay call him a "practical modernist"? Nevermind, he took that back or said that he was misunderstood.

Another point -- if even a man like Fr. Paul Haffner (the man who wrote the foreword to Fr. Robinson's book) who has an extensive background and credentials from Rome then gives such glowing praise of the a work of a SSPX priest then does that not say a lot? It will show to the whole world that the SSPX can be intellectual and that they are not reactionaries who don't understand contemporary problems. Granted I have not read Fr. Robinson's book but I think it says a lot as to who is starting to approve of the SSPX's works.

Here are Fr. Haffner's credentials:

http://www.jeanhaffner.co.uk/index_htm_files/PaulCV.pdf

As for Pope Francis again, read the following article:

https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2017/12/29/pope-urges-theologians-faithful-anchored-vatican-ii/

ROME - Affirming the critically important role of a “free and responsible” form of Catholic theology in the life of the church, Pope Francis called on theologians to “remain faithful and anchored” to the vision of Vatican II, as well as “immersed” in the instincts and concerns of ordinary people who’ve never taken “academic courses in theology.”
The Second Vatican Council (1962-65), Francis said, called the Church “to announce the Gospel in a new way, more consonant with a profoundly different culture and world,” and he added, “The Church must always refer itself to that event.”
“That effort requires from the whole Church, and theologians in particular, to be implemented in a spirit of ‘creative fidelity’,” the pope said.
“For that reason, I ask you to continue to remain faithful and anchored, in your theological work, to the council and the capacity the Church demonstrated there to allow itself to be rejuvenated by the perennial novelty of the Gospel of Christ,” Francis said.
The pontiff’s remarks came during a noontime audience with roughly 100 members of the Associazione Teologica Italiana, the “Italian Theology Association,” the main professional society for Catholic theologians in Italy founded after Vatican II and this year celebrating its 50^th anniversary.
Unlike his predecessor Pope emeritus Benedict XVI, who’s an accomplished theologian and took a keen personal interest in doctrinal matters, Francis positions himself more as a pastor, usually referring to theologians as “they” - for instance, speaking to a visiting group of Evangelical pastors in 2016, he said, “Theology is a very complicated subject, and we should let the theologians argue it out. In the meantime, we should love each other and learn to value people who are different than ourselves.”
Famously, during a visit to the Anglican Church of All Saints this past February, Francis quoted a quip from Patriarch Athenagoras of Constantinople to Pope Paul VI after their historic 1964 meeting: “We’ll bring about unity between us, and we’ll put all the theologians on an island so they can think about it!” (Francis even added he’d confirmed with Athenagoras’s successor, Patriarch Bartholomew I, that the line wasn’t just an urban legend.)
Given that background, Francis’s remarks to theological groups typically are seen as a fairly rare opportunity to better understand his doctrinal vision.
To begin with, Francis on Friday urged theologians to see their work not as an individual quest for insight, but as being rooted in a broader community.
“What theologians do can’t help but be a personal quest,” he said, “but one immersed in the widest theological community possible,” insisting that it’s not just an “accessory” to the ministry of theologians.
In particular, Francis asked theologians to pay careful attention to the insights of ordinary believers, what experts sometimes call “popular religiosity.”
“It’s in this living faith of the holy People of God that every theologian should feel immersed, and by which he or she should also feel sustained, transported and embraced,” the pope said.
The pope also called theologians to what he termed a “duty of the essential,” meaning finding ways to transmit the heart of the Christian faith in a culture today in which “distorted visions of the heart itself of the Gospel may insinuate themselves.”
Moving to specific challenges, Francis mentioned several areas in which he believe there’s need today for creative theological thought:

The “ecological crisis”
“Developments in neurosciences or techniques that can modify the human person”
“Ever-greater social inequalities”
“Migrations of entire peoples”
“Theoretical relativism, but also its practical version”

Francis applauded the Italian association for being made up of experts who don’t just “talk among themselves,” but who see themselves “at the service of the different churches and the Church.”
Pope Francis was greeted by the current president of the Associazione Teologica Italiana, Father Roberto Repole, who took the reins in 2011 from legendary Italian theologian Monsignor Piero Coda, who’s also a stalwart of the Focolare movement.
Headquartered at the Basilica of Santa Maria Maggiore in Rome, the Associazione Teologica Italiana brings together some 300 professors and writers in Catholic theology from every region in Italy.
In one sign of the times in Catholic theology, the current vice president of the association is Serena Noceti of the Theological Faculty of Central Italy in Florence, who also does training for the Archdiocese of Florence. It’s the first time a woman has held a position of leadership in Italy’s main theological guild.
The pope’s next public activity during the holiday season will come on Sunday, when he delivers his last Angelus address of the year at noon and then, in the evening, presides over the traditional vespers service in thanksgiving for the year coming to a close. On New Year’s Day, Francis will celebrate a Mass honoring Mary as the Mother of God, followed by another Angelus.
Traditionally, the Vatican’s holiday season is said to wrap up on Jan. 6 with the feast of the Epiphany, when Francis will once again lead a Mass in the morning followed by an Angelus. Informally, however, it’s usually considered to extend through the pope’s annual speech to the diplomatic corps accredited to the Vatican, in which the pontiff lays out his foreign policy priorities for the year to come.
This year, that speech to diplomats will be held on Monday, Jan. 8.

Matthew · « **Reply #26 on:** February 25, 2018, 04:05:32 PM »

From the mailbag --

1.) The cover is really, really bizarre. Looks like it would be from some kind of Protestant "Stories from the Other Side" book.

2.) The reviews (quotes) on the back might be even more nebulous and bizarre.

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With this volume, the student will be able to safely navigate through the busy halls of philosophy.
FR JOSEPH AZIZE, PH.D.,
Honorary Associate, Dept of Studies in Religion, University of Sydney; Adjunct Associate Professor, University of Notre Dame, Australia.

The Realist Guide to Religion and Science is an historical and radically interdisciplinary work that provides clear answers to the intellectual confusion that besieges the modern world.
DENNIS BONNETTE Ph.D., Professor of Philosophy (Retired), Niagara University.

Fr Robinson knows that talking about the absoluteness of truth is not very pleasant to a modern scholar … but it is—de facto—a very scholarly thing to do. In my opinion, the author of the Realist Guide deserves praises for this attempt.
JAKUB TAYLOR, Ph.D. (Seoul National University), Professor Sungkyunkwan University, South Korea.

3.) It seems really odd that none of his own confreres would be included in the review quotes?

4.) The book gets published via an obscure Novus Ordo publishing company owned by a priest in the UK? Why wouldn't it be published via Angelus Press?

5.) Interesting note on the SSPX site...

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In the foreword, Fr Haffner makes reference to the support of the Conciliar Popes for realism. In doing so, he assigns to Pope Paul VI and Pope John Paul II the titles of ‘Blessed’ and ‘Saint’ respectively. As Fr Robinson was not provided an opportunity to read the foreword before the publication of his book, he was not able to express his adherence to the position of the Society of St Pius X (SSPX) on the doubtful nature of the canonizations...Thus, the appearance of ‘Blessed’ and ‘Saint’ beside Paul VI and John Paul II in the foreword of The Realist Guide should in no way be construed as an acceptance by Fr Robinson of the modern canonizations or a deviation from his publicly expressed opinions on that subject or the position of the SSPX.

Maybe it could be said that having one's book published by a Novus Ordo published wasn't, dare we say, prudent?
Or this could be just another trick of the Society's move toward conciliarism.
Have the foreword printed with references that are "not in line with SSPX position," then publish an obscure note about that on SSPX site which will last, at most, 2 days before it gets lost...

6.) Fr. Haffner, owner of Gracewing Publishing, has published this book ... which sounds highly questionable. Also, see his about section for his nice photo op with Papa Bergoglio admiring his work!

Anyway, suffice it to say I won't be reading it.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #27 on:** February 25, 2018, 05:46:21 PM »

Quote from: obscurus on February 25, 2018, 02:52:09 PM

Matthew, I think you posted this in the wrong place. I'll post it here:

Sean Johnson chimes in:

Friends-

Fr. Paul Robinson (SSPX) has recently written a book titled "The Realist Guide for Religion and Science," for which some information can be gleaned from this website promoting the book:

https://therealistguide.com/

On the following link, you can read an unbelievable 2-page Foreword, which seems to partially rehabilitate JPII, BXVI, Francis, and the deceased modernist Fr. Stanley Jaki as "moderate realists."

https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/be041786-0638-4702-8262-80efb99dfec3/downloads/1c5r4kp28_40515.pdf

Never mind that John Paul II espoused phenomenology (i.e., Objective truths exist, but human reason cannot access them, only their various manifestations, or "noumena.");

Never mind that BXVI was primarily a Hegelian.

Never mind that Francis (Francis!) is completely a-systemic, and the Foreword quotes him thusly:

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Let that quote, coming from an SSPX-promoted book, sink in: "Realities are more important than ideas."

This is the pollution coming from Bishop Fellay's ralliement: A practical accord (i.e., a reality) is more important than doctrine (i.e., ideas).

SSPX priests are being infected by their Superior General, and Fr. Robinson very obviously wanted to show the Vatican just how open the new SSPX is to conciliarist modernism.

And the deceased Fr. Stanley Jaki (whose organization has written this Foreword for Fr. Robinson)?

A thorough modernist, for whom science was superior to religion, having made many statements which implicitly deny the possibility of true miracles, such as this one regarding the miracle of the sun at Fatima:

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And in Jaki's introduction to the English-language translation of Abbe Augustin Barruel's masterpiece "Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobinism" (which Weishaupt's conspiracy against altar, throne, and society), he makes this bewildering statement:

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Some of you in this email are quite well read on St. Thomas Aquinas, and I should be extremely surprised if he ever taught such a thing!

Nonetheless, these are the people Fr. Robinson wants to promote his book: All of them conciliarist modernists to the man.

Obviously, the neo-SSPX is losing its mind (and its faith).

As time marches on, you can expect much more of this. It is only natural.

Cardinal Cottier would be quite pleased to see the "progress" Menzingen is making towards conciliarism, as he once counseled regarding Campos: "What is important is that there no longer be rejection in their hearts...we must be patient...gradually, we must expect additional steps, like concelebration...reconciliation carries within itself its own internal dynamism [self-censorship]."

Indeed it does, and Fr. Robinson's book is one more piece of evidence of that "dynamism."

Semper Idem,
Sean Johnson

Seeing as it is Sunday...

This email was circulated in a private distribution, and it was not my intention that it be posted on CI (or anywhere else), but as I neglected to make that request in the email itself, no harm done:

"Scripsi scripsit," as they say.

However, now that it HAS been posted, I would like to correct and explain my comment regarding Fr. Stanley Jaki:

1) I claim that he is a modernist. This is primarily based on his exegesis, which seems to embrace a mitigated form of the "historico-critical" method of exegesis (i.e., Which seeks to "re-examine" patristic exegesis under the pretext of modern "science").

2) Google Fr. Raymond Brown (i.e., the apostate apostle of the historico-critical method of exegesis in the Catholic Church);

3) The tendency of HC exegetes is to explain Biblical miracles according to merely scientific causes; to find novel explanations to the Genesis creation account; to question the authorship of the Pentateuch (i.e., the first 5 books of the Old Testament) by Moses; to re-explain the New Testament miracles in a sense other than the literal sense;

4) It is generally accepted that Fr. Brown was such an exegete (one of the more tame, but an adherent nonetheless). For example, one of his admirers writes of him: "A careful reading of Jaki's overall work bears out his belief in the original creation of the universe by the God of Christendom. At the same time Jaki cannot be called a creationist in full agreement with strict adherents to the Bible, especially the Genesis record, because he accepts the inerrancy of this record only with qualifications of a "higher critical" nature." http://www.creationism.org/csshs/v09n2p17.htm

5) Also, he is guilty of calling into question the Mosaic authorship of the Pentateuch, as he says in his own words: "Does this mean that Moses, or whoever wrote Genesis 1,..." http://www.hprweb.com/1993/08/genesis-1-a-cosmogenesis/

6) St. Pius X condemned this in his scotching of the modernists in Pascendi (See #34, which explicitly mentions questioning the authorship of the Pentateuch).

6) Clearly, therefore, Fr. Jaki entertained the modernist "J,E,P,D" theory of exegesis (which claims that the books of the Pentateuch were compiled by various subsequent authors, based on alleged internal contextual and docuмentary evidence).

6) Such was the mindset of Fr. Jaki, and it would be a stretch to say that his scientific career had no influence on his faith: His mission was to harmonize science and faith (but it seems to me that he wanted to conform the latter to the former, and not the other way around).

7) The natural temptation, therefore, would be to take a critical (in the scholarly sense, meaning to examine them rationally, skeptical of their supra-scientific nature) view towards miracles. Now many citations can show Fr. Jaki as accepting and defending the reality of miracles.

However, do they preserve their same nature (i.e., no scientific explanation, as St. Thomas Aquinas in my email defines the term), or are miracles reduced to the level of scientificly explainable phenomena, such as seems to be implied in Fr. Jaki's explanation of the Fatima miracle (i.e., a meteorological phenomena, where the REAL miracle was that the event should be so significant all these years later).

Just wanted to clarify that comment.

But for one to embrace even a mitigated form of historical-critical exegesis, and call into question the Mosaic authorship of the Pentateuch is plainly modernist (condemned, and uncatholic).

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #28 on:** February 25, 2018, 05:55:02 PM »

Editing time ran out (grrrr): #4 should read:

4) It is generally accepted that Fr. Jaki was such an exegete...

Incredulous · « **Reply #29 on:** February 25, 2018, 06:07:51 PM »

Quote from: cassini on February 25, 2018, 12:29:39 PM

Foreword to Fr Robinson's book.

https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/be041786-0638-4702-8262-80efb99dfec3/downloads/1c5r4kp28_40515.pdf

It seems Fr Robinson found inspiration in the conciliar popes, Paul VI. John Paul II, Benedict XVI and Pope Francis and Fr Stanley Jaki.

Fr Jaki was a Benedictine priest and distinguished Professor of Physics at Seton Hall University, New Jersey since 1975, indoctrinating his students in a heliocentric cosmology and natural evolution of one sort or another. For his work in synthesising Catholic faith with modern scientism Fr Jaki was awarded The Templeton Prize in 1987, ‘for furthering understanding of science and religion’ they say; a prize now valued at £1,000,000 per annum, winnable only by those who assert theistic heliocentrism and theistic evolutionism of course.

John Paul II said he loved Einstein's relativity but that this did not take from Galileo's heliocentrism. What a contradiction. He also told the flock there are proofs for heliocentrism and that the Fathers and popes who upheld geocentrism were ignorants.

In 1981, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (b.1927) later elected Pope Benedict XVI (2005-15), attempted a creation catechesis for adults in four Lenten homilies in the cathedral of Munich, and later published in a book called In the Beginning.[1] The reason for this subject matter, he wrote, was that the creation account is noticeably and nearly completely absent from Catholic catechesis, preaching and even theology. What he wanted to do was show that the Genesis account of creation in the first book of Scripture could indeed be interpreted in harmony with modern ‘science,’ a task first taken on by Galileo. By doing so, Joseph Ratzinger hoped to give back to Genesis a credibility that would please Catholics of today. Totally ignoring the absurdity of all evolutionary theories that we have discussed earlier in this tome, the Cardinal, by way of his ‘newspeak,’ with its ambiguous euphemistic language, tries to get us to believe that the ‘poetry’ of Genesis can be understood to agree with the exact same theories that ‘science’ invented, theories that are known to have convinced millions there is no God, no need for a God when trying to understand the universe and all in it.

[1] Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger: In The beginning, CFI Bath Press, UK.

Pope francis would baptise a MARTIAN if he asked.

You hit the nail on the head Cassini.

Why would a traditional Catholic priest include such modernist theological references in the Foreword of his book ?

It must mean Father's book was edited by the Menzingen brotherhood and is being used as party-line propaganda
to endorse "Team Francis".

Two thoughts:

1. Pray that as many neo-SSPXers (priests & faithful) will receive the necessary graces to abandon this neo-trad cult.

2. Pray for Father Robinson, who must be suffering from some form of mind control?
He has debased all of his educational credentials by previously giving us fake theology and now, fake science.

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