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Offline Fanny

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Re: Fr Robinson's new book "The Realist Guide to Religion and Science"
« Reply #45 on: February 28, 2018, 12:26:34 PM »
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  • He has his own webpage?
    https://therealistguide.com

    How much did that cost sspx laity?


    Complete with an "ask fr. Robinson" section.  I was always taught a priest is never supposed to have an internet presence like this.  How liberal the sspx is becoming...


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    Re: Fr Robinson's new book "The Realist Guide to Religion and Science"
    « Reply #46 on: February 28, 2018, 12:40:35 PM »
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  • He has his own webpage?
    https://therealistguide.com

    How much did that cost sspx laity?


    Complete with an "ask fr. Robinson" section.  I was always taught a priest is never supposed to have an internet presence like this.  How liberal the sspx is becoming...
    hmm.. wasn't that one of the complaints Menz used against +W to justify his expulsion? 


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    Re: Fr Robinson's new book "The Realist Guide to Religion and Science"
    « Reply #47 on: February 28, 2018, 12:51:47 PM »
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  • The SSPX teaches that non-Catholics can be saved by their belief in a God that rewards. If after reading all the dogmas on EENS, they can come to that conclusion, then there is nothing that they can write about that is not suspect. There is no teaching of the Catholic Church, that is as dogmatically defined as EENS, yet the SSPX completely denies all those dogmas in their teaching that non-Catholics can be saved by their belief in a God that rewards. What is one to make of their teachings on other subjects which are still speculative like the sedevacantes question, the Vatican II church, Vatican II, the validity of new bishops and priests, and in this case Creationism?

    Well, my answer is that I totally dismiss everything they teach, just like Fr. Robinson's book. I would not read the first page. The SSPX are blind guides and dupes, at least those that teach that non-Catholics can be saved by their belief in a God that rewards, I have not found one SSPX priests that does not go along with the teaching that that non-Catholics can be saved by their belief in a God that rewards.

    They are so blinded by their love of smells and bells that they do not realize that Vatican II was all about brainwashing Catholics to believe that non-Catholics can be saved by their belief in a God that rewards.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Fr Robinson's new book "The Realist Guide to Religion and Science"
    « Reply #48 on: March 04, 2018, 05:48:06 PM »
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  • Einstein, the atheist and major plagiarist, led a very immoral sɛҳuąƖ life.  His sɛҳuąƖ "relativism." among other negative aspects of his life including its Jєωιѕн overlay, may well have had a major impact in "relativizing" his scientific thinking or as some would say scientific fantasizing; a kind of scientific though/fantasy that served as the remedy/pretext for pushing aside the up till then extremely solid real scientific evidence that the Earth was motionless in space with the universe carried by the aether revolving once every day around it.

    Consider that Einstein and Oppenheimer were both zionists who used America as a resource base to fund the Jєωs "Golem" bomb. They tested it out on the largest Catholic Cathedral in Asia and later used it to arm the future zionist state, Israel.  
    But poor Father Robinson doesn't know or care about that.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Fr Robinson's new book "The Realist Guide to Religion and Science"
    « Reply #49 on: March 04, 2018, 08:41:07 PM »
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  • From the Australian seminary - there is a disclaimer about part of the forward:


    SSPX Seminary Professor Releases New Book: The Realist Guide to Religion and Science
    February 27, 2018
    fsspx.news


    Fr Paul Robinson of Holy Cross Seminary in Golburn, Australia has published a book on realist philosophy, affirming that science and truth come from the same Divine source.
    Just released is a new book entitled The Realist Guide to Religion and Science. Written at Holy Cross Seminary by Fr Paul Robinson, the book takes a thesis of the late, great Fr Stanley Jaki, and tries to provide it a philosophical foundation. His idea was that epistemological realism is a necessary mental precondition for anyone wanting to do science or religion reasonably. Fr Jaki buttressed his argument with many historical examples in his Gifford Lectures, but oftentimes his points are lost in his elevated and complex style. Moreover, he wrote more as an historian than a philosopher, yet his thesis is essentially philosophical.
    Thus, Fr. Robinson saw an opening for a contribution to be made to the general conversation about the relation between religion and science. His book argues that epistemological realism is absolutely necessary to broker any peaceful co-existence of religion and science. The reason is that only realism is reasonable. And disagreements come when people are unreasonable. To be more specific, people and cultures of religion or science become unreasonable and come into conflict when they adopt non-realist worldviews.
     
     Typically, religions have tended toward an idealism that devalues the material world and the empirical data that it provides, trumping that data by some a priori construct deriving from a false notion of God or a literalist reading of a sacred text. Typically, scientists have tended toward an empiricism that denies the existence or at least the intellectual worth of what is beyond the senses, thereby relegating religion to the realms of illusion or uselessness. If believers and scientists are realist, these unfortunate conflicts do not happen. On the contrary, by definition, they cannot happen.
     
     The book is broken up into three sections, the first considering realist principles and the realist view of reality, the second considering religions going wrong without realism, and the third considering science going wrong without realism.

    Fr Daniel Themann, rector of Holy Cross Seminary, read and censored the entire manuscript. He warmly recommends the book in the following words:
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    The Realist Guide goes beyond the normal Catholic apologetic which usually limits itself to showing that there is no contradiction between genuine religion and genuine science.  Fr Robinson takes the broader view and demonstrates that, throughout history, the perennial conflict which has bloodied the intellectual landscape has rather been the struggle between rationality and irrationality – science and religion being, not the antagonists, but rather the battlefields.  The attentive reader must come ready to think and ready to learn.  Whether or not you will agree with all of his conclusions, do not cheat yourself out of the insights which this book provides in abundance.
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    Visit the book's website
    In the USA: Buy the book from Angelus Press.
     Outside the USA: Buy the book from Gracewing Publications

    Note on the Foreword
    Fr Robinson would like to express his profound gratitude to Rev Dr Paul Haffner for publishing The Realist Guide to Religion and Science through Gracewing Publishers, of which he is the theological and editorial director. Fr Robinson is also grateful to Father Haffner for writing the foreword to his book. Father Haffner, in addition to being a professor at the Gregorian University in Rome for the past 30 years, is a specialist on the work of the late Father Stanley Jaki and The Realist Guide attempts to provide a philosophical backbone to the thesis of Fr Jaki’s Gifford Lectures of 1974–1975 and 1975–1976 (published as The Road of Science and the Ways to God). Thus, it was most appropriate for Father Haffner to compose the foreword for The Realist Guide, and Fr Robinson is pleased of Fr Haffner’s approval of his attempt to popularize Fr Jaki’s work.
    In the foreword, Fr Haffner makes reference to the support of the Conciliar Popes for realism. In doing so, he assigns to Pope Paul VI and Pope John Paul II the titles of ‘Blessed’ and ‘Saint’ respectively. As Fr Robinson was not provided an opportunity to read the foreword before the publication of his book, he was not able to express his adherence to the position of the Society of St Pius X (SSPX) on the doubtful nature of the canonizations, because of the many changes in the canonization process. In addition, he was not able to reiterate the particular concerns about the canonization of Pope John Paul II that he expressed in his Nov./Dec. 2013 Angelus article ‘The Difference between a “Saint” and a “Saint”’.
    Thus, the appearance of ‘Blessed’ and ‘Saint’ beside Paul VI and John Paul II in the foreword of The Realist Guide should in no way be construed as an acceptance by Fr Robinson of the modern canonizations or a deviation from his publicly expressed opinions on that subject or the position of the SSPX. Nor should the foreword be construed as implying that Fr Robinson believes that the Conciliar Popes have been realist in their philosophical outlook.[/size][/color]
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    Re: Fr Robinson's new book "The Realist Guide to Religion and Science"
    « Reply #50 on: March 04, 2018, 08:47:13 PM »
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  • Complete with an "ask fr. Robinson" section.  I was always taught a priest is never supposed to have an internet presence like this.  How liberal the sspx is becoming...
    The SSPX is indeed becoming liberal, but this isn't one of those times.

    There's no canonical or dogmatic reason why a priest can't have an online presence or apostolate. However, they're not supposed to be in any kind of for-profit business once they are tonsured (which usually occurs during the 1st or 2nd year of seminary). In other words, all clerics are supposed to refrain from business and making money. However, any kind of online volunteer work involving the Faith, teaching, etc. is certainly fair game.

    On the other hand, there is indeed an issue of hypocrisy on the SSPX's part. They expelled +Williamson for maintaining an online newsletter, because they disagreed with him. But Fr. Robinson can have is own side-apostolate which places him in the public eye and that's fine...because Fr. Robinson is a company man and they "trust him".

    If +Williamson had published a book about the h0Ɩ0h0αx, I'm sure the SSPX wouldn't have been promoting it, the way they're currently promoting Fr. Robinson's book. Hence my charge of hypocrisy.

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    Re: Fr Robinson's new book "The Realist Guide to Religion and Science"
    « Reply #51 on: March 05, 2018, 05:29:51 AM »
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  • 'Just released is a new book entitled The Realist Guide to Religion and Science. Written at Holy Cross Seminary by Fr Paul Robinson, the book takes a thesis of the late, great Fr Stanley Jaki, and tries to provide it a philosophical foundation. '

    Now let us read a bit about the 'GREAT FR STANLEY JAKI.'

    http://debunkingalecmacandrew.blogspot.ie/2016/01/paula-p.html

    http://debunkingalecmacandrew.blogspot.ie/2016/01/posted-with-permission-from-paula-p.html

    http://debunkingalecmacandrew.blogspot.ie/2016/01/father-stanley-l-jaki-evolutionist-by.html

    http://debunkingalecmacandrew.blogspot.ie/2016/01/father-stanley-l-jaki-revisionist-by_29.html

    CIF READERS WILL NOT BE FOOLED OR LEFT IGNORANT.

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    Re: Fr Robinson's new book "The Realist Guide to Religion and Science"
    « Reply #52 on: March 05, 2018, 06:43:23 AM »
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  • Thus, Fr. Robinson saw an opening for a contribution to be made to the general conversation about the relation between religion and science. His book argues that epistemological realism is absolutely necessary to broker any peaceful co-existence of religion and science. The reason is that only realism is reasonable. And disagreements come when people are unreasonable. To be more specific, people and cultures of religion or science become unreasonable and come into conflict when they adopt non-realist worldviews.
     
     Typically, religions have tended toward an idealism that devalues the material world and the empirical data that it provides, trumping that data by some a priori construct deriving from a false notion of God or a literalist reading of a sacred text. Typically, scientists have tended toward an empiricism that denies the existence or at least the intellectual worth of what is beyond the senses, thereby relegating religion to the realms of illusion or uselessness. If believers and scientists are realist, these unfortunate conflicts do not happen. On the contrary, by definition, they cannot happen.
     
     The book is broken up into three sections, the first considering realist principles and the realist view of reality, the second considering religions going wrong without realism, and the third considering science going wrong without realism.

    Fr Daniel Themann, rector of Holy Cross Seminary, read and censored the entire manuscript. He warmly recommends the book in the following words:

    Many will be forgiven if the above is WAY ABOVE THEIR HEAD. It reads like few of us REALLY know much about the Catholic approach to FAITH AND SCIENCE so we better leave that to those who REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. But don't fall for that.

    When the M&M scientific experiment of 1887 showed the Earth does not travel through space as believed by churchmen and State, they needed to restore their once defined and declarted heresy for all to believe. For 17 years they could not come up with a solution. But then they spotted this EINSTEIN, who could fool everyone into thinking HE was SO INTELLIGENT that due to human PRIDE very few would challenge him. Yes, he was a SUPER-BRAIN and SUPER-BRAINS can reach heights between MAN AND GOD in knowing.

    SO, what did EINSTEIN come up with? Well he first had to admit that man cannot prove geocentrism or heliocentrism. Here is the only FACT that Einstein confirmed.
    Along came Fr Robinson's hero the Jesuit George Lemaitre (1894-1966). Now instead of looking for a BIG BANG, why didn't he NOTE THAT THIS MEANS THE CHURCH OF 1616 and 1633 was never proven wrong and MAKE THAT HIS CATHOLIC MISSION? He didn't, nor any other Catholic clergy on Earth.

    Now there is the real mystery. But by then churchmen had been overcome by INTELLECTUAL PRIDE especially found in SCIENCE and especially in science that CANNOT BE UNDERSTOOD by your AVERAGE HUMAN BRAIN.

    And that is why the Jesuits (Brainy priests like Pope Francis) Lemaitre and Fr Jaki are up there as HEROES OF SCIENCE. Now we have Fr Robinson SSPX trying to convert the few creationist traditional Catholics who hoped they would get tradition with the SSPX. Yes, all Catholics know today, to try to vindicate the Church of 1616 with their geocentric relativity would bring laughter from all quarters, so instead they defend that SCIENTIFIC NONSENSE that Fr Robinson callas EVIDENCE FOR A BIG BANG. Yes, who said Catholicism was not up to speed with science?

    Incidentally, be aware that Fr Robinson's EVIDENCE is the Red-shifts was that found by Hubble, shifts he attributed to stars moving away from the earth, that is an expanding universe.

    Totally unknown to Fr Robinson I would say, is that in Copernicus's book De revolutionibus he states that if the universe is geocentric with all the stars swinging around the earth (which would be evidenve that the universe is not infinite), then we would find an expanding universe. Given also that all the stars are turning around the earth, these movements could also account for red-shifts. Yes, geocentrism could cause an expanding universe if it is expanding, which I doubt. Think about it, wouldn't rotating stars also have red-shifts as seen from Earth simply from their movements?

    Finally, for many years now, since that U-turn on the geocentric revelation of Scripture making it read heliocentric, a new mysterious dogma has come into Catholic teaching, one used by Fr Robinson also, the 'Bible is not meant to teach science but how to get to heaven.' Attributed to Cardinal Baronius by Pope John Paul II it was in fact conjured up FIRST by the PROTESTANT Rheticus who helped get Copernicus with his De Revolutionibus. This dogma was conjured up IN THE AFTERMATH BY CHURCHMEN AS A RESULT OF THEIR BELIEVING THE FATHERS GOT IT WRONG WHEN THEY ALL AGREED THE BIBLE REVEALS GEOCENTRISM. It was one way to worm their way out of their contradicting their predecessors.

    But apart from this SCANDAL, it makes NO SENSE AT ALL. They teach every word of the bible is true, but if it says something 'SCIENTIFIC' Catholics are supposed to say, 'WELL IT DOESN'T TEACH US WHAT IT SAYS.' This is a JOKE, one that needs to be clarified.

    Fat chance of that if one of the remaining traditional groups of Catholic priests are allowing this BIG BANG theology to get hold on their diminishingn flock. I fior one will fight it in ortder to try to correct them and save the flock.


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    Re: Fr Robinson's new book "The Realist Guide to Religion and Science"
    « Reply #53 on: March 07, 2018, 10:45:34 AM »
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  • For those that did not see this on the other related thread: Here is what I found on Fr. Jaki, whom Fr. Robinson is using as his inspiration for this book...

    http://www.catholicstand.com/fr-stanley-jaki-on-the-fatima-miracle/

    Father's conclusions: The Miracle of the Sun was not the sun, but ice crystals! The main miracle was that the event inspired so many people! Read for yourself and see if that is how you understand it also.

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    Re: Fr Robinson's new book "The Realist Guide to Religion and Science"
    « Reply #54 on: March 07, 2018, 11:08:30 AM »
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  • With all the attacks on the Faith and with the enemies of Catholicity growing and spreading error upon error, I have to ask:  If you were going to spend time defending the Faith - is a book about faith/science the BEST use of one's time?  I mean, really, aren't there bigger fish to fry?  Aren't there much, much, much larger and more important areas to defend?  Like theology, or doctrine, or the liturgy?

    Relative to the times we live in, this book's topic is such a low priority (and that's assuming it is 100% orthodox, which it's not).  It's like a man who's house is on fire and he's on the phone arguing with a customer service rep about the warranty for a blender.

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    Re: Fr Robinson's new book "The Realist Guide to Religion and Science"
    « Reply #55 on: March 08, 2018, 12:50:55 PM »
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  • I almost never go to this website, but I recently happened across this commentary on an essay by Fr. Robinson here: https://novusordowatch.org/2017/06/sspx-francis-theological-absurdistan/

    The article starts out:
    The absurd theology of the Society of Saint Pius X is currently on full display again.
    On June 8, 2017 there appeared an article entitled, “Unity of Faith with Pope Francis & Canonical Recognition of the SSPX” on the web site of the SSPX’s Asian District. The essay was written by Fr. Paul Robinson, a professor of dogmatic theology at the Lefebvrian Holy Cross Seminary in Lake Bathurst, Australia. As the article points out in an introductory comment, it is “published with permission of the SSPX’s General House in Menzingen”, which means it comes with the highest possible Lefebvrian approval, that of Superior General Bp. Bernard Fellay himself, who resides at his order’s headquarters in Menzingen, Switzerland.

    Fr. Robinson’s essay is a sterling example of the absurd ecclesiology the SSPX ends up with as a result of forcing the square peg of Jorge Bergoglio into the round hole of the Roman Pontificate. In what follows, we will quote Fr. Robinson’s article in full, interspersed with our comments for a much-needed reality check. Get ready for some fireworks!