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Re: Fr Robinson's new book "The Realist Guide to Religion and Science"
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2018, 10:06:17 PM »
He's from KY.  Nope.  I'm done.

Re: Fr Robinson's new book "The Realist Guide to Religion and Science"
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2018, 05:14:45 AM »

Sorry Mr G I did not see that you had posted this subject earlier. Accordingly I will repost my initial reaction to the idea that any book using the BIG BANG as a creative act is reintroducing many of the NOW hidden Pythagorean heresies the Church Fathers spent centuries trying to eliminate. I began with the following:

Interview with Fr. Paul Robinson

Fr. Paul Robinson, a native of Kentucky, received a Masters in Engineering Mathematics and Computer Science from the University of Louisville. After two years in the field, he entered a Roman Catholic seminary to discern his vocation. Since his ordination in 2006, he has been teaching Thomistic philosophy and theology.

What about science?
'In fact, I am harder on modern scientists than I am on Islam and Luther, because some of them take irrationality to its furthest extreme. For instance, 20th century science provided solid, empirical evidence that our universe began with a huge burst of energy 13.7 billion years ago. This put atheist scientists in a terrible dilemma, because they had to admit that our universe, along with space and time, had a beginning. That would seem to make it obvious that an incredibly powerful cause had to be at the origin of our universe.'


Let me begin with the above and we will get on to Fr Robinson's Einstein later. Needless to say, Father feels safe in the company of Pope Pius XII who on November 22, 1951 in a speech to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, called 'The Proofs for the Existence of God in the Light of Modern Natural Science.'

44. It is undeniable that when a mind enlightened and enriched with modern scientific knowledge weighs this problem calmly, it feels drawn to break through the circle of completely independent or autochthonous matter, whether uncreated or self-created, and to ascend to a creating Spirit. With the same clear and critical look with which it examines and passes judgment on facts, it perceives and recognizes the work of creative omnipotence, whose power, set in motion by the mighty “Fiat” pronounced billions of years ago by the Creating Spirit, spread out over the universe, calling into existence with a gesture of generous love matter bursting with energy. In fact, it would seem that present-day science, with one sweeping step back across millions of centuries, has succeeded in bearing witness to that primordial “Fiat lux” uttered at the moment when, along with matter, there burst forth from nothing a sea of light and radiation, while the particles of chemical elements split and formed into millions of galaxies.’

'20th century science provided solid, empirical evidence that our universe began with a huge burst of energy 13.7 billion years ago,' which must be the 'proofs in the light of modern science' according to Pope Pius XII.

So what 'proofs' are these two men basing the Catholic Creator on? Why Hubble's 1912 red-shifts in starlight that science USED to prove the universe is expanding. Now if we forget many scientists who disputed this assumption (such as can be found in Professor Roberrt Gentry's Earth's Tiny Mystery.) that red-shifts do not necessarily show an expanding universe in  Fr Robinson's 'solid empirical evidence' for a Big Bang Creation, I bet both Pius XII and Fr Robinson did not know that in Copernicus's book De Revolutionibus he wrote that if God created a geocentric universe with the universe turning around the earth like a swing ride then we would find an expanding universe.

In other words there is no solid evidence for any Big Bang. Now let us see the essence of a Big Bang Creator as explained by Professor Marcello Pera.

‘Let us suppose, for the sake of argument, that we can refer “not improperly” to the initial singularity [the Big Bang] as an act of creation. What conclusions can we draw from it? That a Creator exists? Suppose still, for the sake of argument, that this, too, is conceded. The problem now is twofold. Is this creator theologically relevant? Can this creator serve the purpose of faith?
     My answer to the first question is decidedly negative. A creator proved by [Big Bang] cosmology is a cosmological agent that has none of the properties a believer attributes to God. Even supposing one can consistently say the cosmological creator is beyond space and time, this creature cannot be understood as a person or as the Word made flesh or as the Son of God come down to the world in order to save mankind. Pascal rightly referred to this latter Creator as the “God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, not of philosophers and scientists. To believe that cosmology proves the existence of a creator and then to attribute to this creator the properties of the Creation as a person is to make an illegitimate inference, to commit a category fallacy. My answer to the second question is also negative. Suppose we can grant what my answer to the first question intends to deny. That is, suppose we can understand the God of [Big Bang] cosmologists as the God of theologians and believers. Such a God cannot (and should not) serve the purpose of faith, because, being a God proved by cosmology he [or it] should be at the mercy of cosmology. Like any other scientific discipline that, to use Pope John Paul II’s words, proceeds with “methodological seriousness,” cosmology is always revisable. It might then happen that a creator proved on the basis of a theory will be refuted when that theory is refuted. Can the God of believers be exposed to the risk of such an inconsistent enterprise as science?’[1]


[1] Marcello Pera: The god of theologians and the god of astronomers, as found in The Cambridge Companion to Galileo, Cambridge University Press, 1998, pp.378, 379.

MORE LATER.


Re: Fr Robinson's new book "The Realist Guide to Religion and Science"
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2018, 02:06:02 PM »
Pope Francis and the God of Cosmologists and Evolutionists, now shared by Fr Robinson and Americam SSPX.
 
‘Vatican City, 27 October 2014 (VIS) – This morning the Holy Father attended the plenary session of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences held in the Casina Pio IV, during which he inaugurated a bust of Pope emeritus Benedict XVI, whom he described as “a great Pope. Great for the strength and penetration of his intelligence, great for his important contribution to theology, great for his love of the Church and of human beings, great for his virtue and religiosity”. He recalled that Benedict XVI was the first to invite a president of this Academy to participate in the Synod on new evangelisation, “aware of the importance of science in modern culture”. Pope Francis chose not to focus on the complex issue of the evolution of nature, the theme the Academy will consider during this session, emphasising however that “God and Christ walk with us and are also present in nature”. “When we read in Genesis the account of Creation,” Pope Francis said, “we risk imagining God as a magus, with a magic wand able to make everything. But it is not so. He created beings and allowed them to develop according to the internal laws that He gave to each one, so that they were able to develop and to arrive and their fullness of being. He gave autonomy to the beings of the Universe at the same time at which he assured them of his continuous presence, giving being to every reality. And so creation continued for centuries and centuries, millennia and millennia, until it became which we know today, precisely because God is not a demiurge or a conjurer, but the Creator who gives being to all things. The beginning of the world is not the work of chaos that owes its origin to another, but derives directly from a supreme Origin that creates out of love. The Big Bang, which nowadays is posited as the origin of the world, does not contradict the divine act of creating, but rather requires it. The evolution of nature does not contrast with the notion of Creation, as evolution presupposes the creation of beings that evolve.”’ --- Vatican Info Office.
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God is not a magician, waving a magic wand creating things,’ says Pope Francis and like-minded theistic evolutionists. Indeed He is not, for magicians are full of tricks and illusions. God does not need a magic wand; He simply created things immediately, complete according to its kind. Nevertheless, the comparison suggests that God did not, could not, create things complete and in working order. But Genesis tells us that is exactly what God did, one creation after another in a certain order, each depending on the former, over six days in which no development was at all necessary.
    We see then, the papacy of the Catholic Church over the last 300 years or so, have lost all faith in revelation and all attempts in the past to protect the flock from false philosophy as was/is their duty. Now if an angel from heaven were to appear before me and tell me to believe these popes I would tell that angel to go back to Hell. God gave me intelligence, the means to examine and reason. I have done that and am satisfied their moving-earth/fixed sun solar system has never falsified the decree of Pope Paul V in 1616.

(1) “That the sun is in the centre of the world and altogether immovable by local movement,” was unanimously declared to be “foolish, philosophically absurd, and formally heretical, inasmuch as it expressly contradicts the declarations of Holy Scripture in many passages, according to the proper meaning of the language used, and the sense in which they have been expounded and understood by the Fathers and theologians.”

Nor did geologists ever prove the earth is millions of years old according to rock strata, an age falsified by geologist Guy Berthault who showed they were ignorant as to how strata was/is laid down. Unable to open their mouths in protest, totally unable to protect the Flock from false philosophy because of the 'embarrassment' of the Galileo U-turn, they let the Roman Martyrology fall into the same pit of myths as the biblical revelation on geocentrism. And so, when their masters in science said everything evolved, human PRIDE took over once again and like the heresy of heliocentrism they INVENTED a way out of biblical revelation as they did with the 1616 decree, allowing God to overcome the impossible gaps of evolution, God kept the evolving bits working until completed. Absolutely pathetic. But my aren't they popular among all the atheists in the Pontifical academy of Sciences.

Re: Fr Robinson's new book "The Realist Guide to Religion and Science"
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Re: Fr Robinson's new book "The Realist Guide to Religion and Science"
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2018, 11:06:28 AM »

Here is the latest Kolbe article on creation. These are the Catholic creationists Fr Robinson SSPX in his comments trying to support a Big Bang Genesis considers to be fundamentalist Protestants:

 
Dear Friends of the Kolbe Center,
Pax Christi!
One of the many disturbing signs of "diabolical disorientation"--to use Sister Lucy of Fatima's phrase--within the contemporary Catholic community is the attempt by so many Catholic theologians to press the Angelic Doctor, St. Thomas Aquinas, into service as a proto-theistic evolutionist.  In his paper presented at our recent symposium in Rome on the special creation of Adam and Eve as the foundation of the Church's teaching on Holy Marriage, Fr. Thomas Crean, O.P., beautifully demonstrates the absurdity of this perverse abuse of the Angelic Doctor's writings.  I cannot reproduce the whole article in this newsletter, and I hope that you will read the entire paper on the Kolbe website here (with all of the footnotes), but I do want to highlight a few of the main truths contained in the paper. 
In the first place, Fr. Crean underscores the fact that St. Thomas always treats Genesis 1-11 as true history. He writes:
In discussing the question of whether paradise, as described in the second chapter of the book of Genesis, was a geographical place or simply an allegory of a spiritual truth, St Thomas Aquinas makes the following observation and rule:
Those things which are said in Scripture about Paradise, are put forward in the style of a historical narrative; but whenever Scripture puts something forward in this way, the historical truth must be retained as the basis, and spiritual interpretations built upon it (STh 1a 102, 1).
 
Indeed, it is apparent from the Angelic Doctor's treatment of Genesis, that everything stated by Moses must be accepted, as written, on God's authority, including all of those things that are above nature, i.e., supernatural.  As St. Thomas explains in the Summa:
in all the statements that we make, we must follow the nature of things, except when things which are above nature have been communicated to us on the authority of God (STh 1a 99, 1).
This is a fundamental principle often violated by so-called "Thomistic evolutionists," since they often attempt to give natural explanations for things that the sacred history of Genesis tells us on God's authority are or were "above nature."  For example, Thomistic evolutionists like to explain the origin of the human body as the result of a natural process of biological evolution through mutation and natural selection over hundreds of millions of years. But this would be anathema to the Angelic Doctor!  Indeed, as Fr. Crean explains, St. Thomas firmly held that Adam and Eve were formed immediately and supernaturally by God, body and soul.
That the formation of our first parents was a work performed immediately by God, and outside the course of nature, is for the angelic doctor a matter both of revelation and of reason. It is a matter of revelation since the book of Genesis plainly presents God as forming a man from the slime or dust of the earth, and a woman from the rib or side of the man. He also quotes Ecclesiasticus 17: "God created man out of the earth (Deus de terra creavit hominem)." In his commentary on St Paul's epistle to the Romans, he remarks that one of the ways in which Adam was a "type" of Christ, is that just as Adam's body was formed without any sɛҳuąƖ activity, so Our Lord's body was formed from a Virgin.
 
Fr. Crean emphasizes that the immediate formation of the bodies of our first parents--in total contradiction to the Thomistic evolutionists--was completely supernatural.  
it is also, for St Thomas, a rational necessity that the bodies of our first parents were formed immediately by God, that is to say, miraculously (STh 1a 91, 2). No created power sufficed for the first formation of the human body. The angels cannot transform one material thing, for example dust, into another of a different nature, for example a human body; nor does the material world as a whole have the power to cause what he calls "a perfect animal" to exist, except as generated by other animals of the same species. The expression "perfect animal" here does not refer specifically to man; it is a technical phrase deriving from Aristotle, used to refer to an animal with all the senses and with the power of locomotion. Thus, a cat and a dog are perfect animals in this sense. Aquinas does not argue for the impossibility of a perfect animal being generated by the powers of nature except from parents of the same species; he seems to take it as an obvious truth of experience.  It is true that on St Thomas's general, metaphysical principles, it would be possible for God in His absolute power to use one animal as a mere instrument to generate another of a different species, for example miraculously to cause a cat to generate a dog; but such an act would be pointless and therefore contrary to what is called God's ordered power, that is, His power as considered in conjunction with His wisdom. In any case, as already said, Aquinas takes the immediate formation of the bodies of our first parents to be a truth plainly taught by Scripture.
 
Needless to say, the Angelic Doctor's teaching on "perfect animals" flatly contradicts the conjectures of the theistic evolutionists, since it holds that only special creation by God could have produced the first of each kind of animal with senses and locomotion, creatures which, according to evolutionary mythology, evolved through mutation and natural selection from lower life-forms.
Finally, most theistic evolutionists reinforce the mythology of "primitive" man and of "progress" that conditions Catholic youth to hold the past and the Tradition of the Church in contempt by teaching that the first human beings were simple creatures who "fell up into consciousness" after the final mutation that prepared their primate bodies-a philosophical absurdity!-to receive a human soul.  However, St. Thomas follows all of the Fathers of the Church in teaching that Adam and Eve were created in a state of physical and mental perfection, and in an exalted state of holiness:
Their contemplation was higher than ours, and by means of it, they drew nearer to God than we do and so could in a clear way know more things about divine actions and mysteries than we can. For this reason, there was not in them a faith by which God is sought as being absent, in the way that He is sought by us. For He was more present to them by the light of wisdom than He is to us, even though He was not present to them as He is to the blessed through the light of glory (STh, 2a2ae 5, 1 ad 1).
 
In our book I Have Spoken to You from Heavenwe demonstrate that the Angelic Doctor's fidelity to the literal historical of truth Genesis 1-11 extends even to the meaning of "day" in Genesis One, for in the section on Creation in the Summa Theologica, towards the end of his years as a theological writer, St. Thomas clearly teaches that
The words "one day" are used when day is first instituted, to denote that one day is made up of twenty-four hours. Hence, by mentioning "one," the measure of a natural day is fixed. (STh, Ia q. 74 a. 3).
I hope and pray that all readers of this newsletter will read Fr. Crean's excellent paper in its entirety and be prepared to defend St. Thomas against any and all attempts to press him into service on behalf of theistic evolution!
Yours in Christ through the Immaculata,
Hugh Owen
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