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Author Topic: Fr. Paul Robinson: Consent to heresy to avoid schism?  (Read 2909 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Fr. Paul Robinson: Consent to heresy to avoid schism?
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2024, 04:55:53 PM »
You'll note that the notorious manifest Modernist Fr. Paul Robinson never actually answers the main topic of the article, "Unity of Faith with Pope [sic] Francis".

In fact, he simple dismisses it as a non-question.
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Those who see that question as being solely “What is the faith of the Pope?” seem to mistake the Pope for the Church, falling into a certain species of papalotry.

Nice try.  Well, actually, a very pathetic try.

It's really a very simple question, Fr. Robinson.  Does Jorge Bergoglio have the same faith that you do?  Yes or no?  You can claim Yes, and you'd at least be answering the question (whether we agree with it or not), but to dismiss the question of whether Bergoglio has the Catholic faith as the SSPX as some kind of "papalotry" when it's a CORE QUESTION is the height of logical absurdity and duplicity.

What on earth does the question of whether Jorge has the Catholic faith have to do with "papalotry".  R&R accuse SVs of papalotry for other reasons, e.g. their understanding of infallibility, but the core question of whether there's unity of faith with "Pope" Francis has nothing to do with any of that dispute.

And I'm guessing that Robison knows that quite well and that this is just a meandering distraction designed to avoid the question on purpose.  See, Unity is one of the Notes of the Catholic Church, unity of faith and governance.  Do you have unity of faith with Bergoglio?  He NEVER ANSWERS THE QUESTION like a typical politician attempting to misdirect from it.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Fr. Paul Robinson: Consent to heresy to avoid schism?
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2024, 05:00:38 PM »
Here's the Intro to the Article:

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In this article, Fr Paul Robinson addresses the question of whether a Pope must have the faith of a traditionalist for it to be right for the SSPX to receive canonical recognition from him.


What is "the faith of a traditionlist" as opposed to the Catholic faith, and does Bergoglio have this same faith?

This preface needs to be edited for accuracy:

In this article, Fr Paul Robinson addressesdodges the question of whether a Pope must have the Catholic faith of a traditionalist for it to be right for the SSPX to receive canonical recognition from him.


Offline Angelus

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Re: Fr. Paul Robinson: Consent to heresy to avoid schism?
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2024, 05:10:53 PM »
Fr. Robinson, of the Society of St. Pius X, says that a Catholic is required submission to a Modernist heretic, or he will be in "schism."

Pope St. Pius X says in Pascendi that "modernism is the synthesis of all heresies" and "their system means the destruction not of the Catholic religion alone but of all religion."


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39. It may be, Venerable Brethren, that some may think We have dwelt too long on this exposition of the doctrines of the Modernists. But it was necessary, both in order to refute their customary charge that We do not understand their ideas, and to show that their system does not consist in scattered and unconnected theories but in a perfectly organised body, all the parts of which are solidly joined so that it is not possible to admit one without admitting all. For this reason, too, We have had to give this exposition a somewhat didactic form and not to shrink from employing certain uncouth terms in use among the Modernists. And now, can anybody who takes a survey of the whole system be surprised that We should define it as the synthesis of all heresies? Were one to attempt the task of collecting together all the errors that have been broached against the faith and to concentrate the sap and substance of them all into one, he could not better succeed than the Modernists have done. Nay, they have done more than this, for, as we have already intimated, their system means the destruction not of the Catholic religion alone but of all religion. With good reason do the rationalists applaud them, for the most sincere and the frankest among the rationalists warmly welcome the modernists as their most valuable allies.


So, why is this so hard for traditional Catholics? Why can't they understand that by calling a Modernist heretic (their own words) "the Pope," makes a mockery of the Catholic Faith? After all, if a Modernist heretic can be the Pope, why not a Buddhist or a Lutheran or a Gnostic. Heck, as long as he was "elected" and "universally and peacefully accepted," they say WE must submit to him, otherwise WE are "outside the Church." He and his heretic followers are "inside the Church," while those who hold the True Faith and receive the True Sacraments are "outside the Church?" 

Does that logic make sense to anyone on this forum? R&R?

Re: Fr. Paul Robinson: Consent to heresy to avoid schism?
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2024, 05:15:54 PM »
I had rather be falsely branded a schismatic in men’s eyes than truly a hypocrite and liar by God.

Rome and the pope can stuff that in their pipe and smoke it.       💨 🔥 🚬 :incense:

Offline Angelus

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Re: Fr. Paul Robinson: Consent to heresy to avoid schism?
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2024, 05:44:40 PM »
Canon 1324

It is not enough to avoid heretical depravity, but also those errors should be diligently fled that more or less approach [heresy]; 

Canon 1325

§1. The faithful of Christ are bound to profess their faith whenever silence, evasiveness, or manner of acting encompasses an implied denial of faith, contempt for religion, injury to God or scandal for the neighbor.


The Church requires, in its Canon Law, that the faithful avoid heretics and profess the faith against those who buddy up to heretics. To do otherwise implies a "denial of faith, etc." If you are calling a Modernist heretic your "Holy Father" and singing praises to "Francisco" during the Tu Es Petrus hymn at your local SSPX chapel you are failing to "profess the faith." 

This way of behaving scandalizes "the neighbor." It tells them that the Catholic religion is absurd because its "leader" can be a non-Catholic destroyer of his own Church.