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Offline Ambrose

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Fr. Paul Kramer on antipope Francis
« on: November 28, 2013, 05:45:06 PM »
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  • I just read this on another forum, it was written by Fr. Paul Kramer, a longtime writer for the Fatima Crusader and Catholic Family News.  

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    "Pope" Francis in Evangelii Gaudium n. 247: "We hold the Jєωιѕн people in special regard because their covenant with God has never been revoked". This text is an explicit profession of heresy, directly opposed to the solemn dogmatic definition of Pope Eugenius III and the Ecuмenical Council of Florence, and the doctrine taught by the supreme magisterium of Pope Benedict XIV in Ex Quo Primum, set forth repeatedly and explicitly citing the definition of Florence, to wit, that the Mosaic covenant has been "revoked" and "abrogated". I have been saying for years that when a "pope" will officially teach explicit and clear heresy flatly contradicting the infallibly defined dogma of the Catholic faith, then you will know that he is the false pope prophecied in many Church approved prophecies and Marian apparitions. St. Robert Bellarmine, St. Alohonsus Liguori, St. Antoninus and Pope Innocent III all teach that when the pope demonstrates himself to be a manifest heretic, i.e. a plainly manifested public heretic, he ceases to be pope (or, if already was a public heretic he was invalidly elected) because he is not a Catholic -- not a member of the Catholic Church. Bellarmine explains that the Roman Pontiff is the visible head of the Church, and the head is a member. One who is not a member cannot be the head, and therefore the election to the supreme pontificate of a public heretic is canonically null & void. The heresy of Bergoglio in no. 247 is such a clear cut case of manifest, public heresy, expressed in stark, unequivocal terms, that it can be said without doubt that if this proposition of no. 247 is not manifestly heretical, then nothing else can be said to be so. It is morally impossible that one who manifestly displays such clearly expressed contempt for a defined dogma of faith by plainly denying it, can be believed to validly hold the office of Roman Pontiff. St. Francis of Assisi foretold of the uncanonically elected pope who would not be "a true pastor but a destroyer". Bergoglio plainly fits the description.


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    Fr. Paul Kramer on antipope Francis
    « Reply #1 on: November 28, 2013, 06:34:17 PM »
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  • I hope that Fr Kramer does not become demonized for this.  
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    Fr. Paul Kramer on antipope Francis
    « Reply #2 on: November 28, 2013, 06:50:15 PM »
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  • I hope not either, but his courage for speaking the truth is edifying.  The logic he applies in formulating husband conclusion is airtight.
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    Fr. Paul Kramer on antipope Francis
    « Reply #3 on: November 28, 2013, 07:00:05 PM »
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  • My last post should have read:

    I hope not either, but his courage for speaking the truth is edifying.  The logic he applies in formulating his conclusion is airtight.
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    Fr. Paul Kramer on antipope Francis
    « Reply #4 on: November 28, 2013, 07:04:53 PM »
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    My last post should have read:

    I hope not either, but his courage for speaking the truth is edifying.  The logic he applies in formulating his conclusion is airtight.


     :laugh1:

    It's beautifully and succinctly put, guided entirely by Catholic principles with no recourse to novelty.  
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    Fr. Paul Kramer on antipope Francis
    « Reply #5 on: November 28, 2013, 07:06:10 PM »
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  • Francis isn't the first V2 pope to hold this view.

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    Fr. Paul Kramer on antipope Francis
    « Reply #6 on: November 28, 2013, 07:11:26 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    Francis isn't the first V2 pope to hold this view.


    I know, but maybe others are finally seeing this.  It is heresy to say that the Old Covenant is still in force, and has not been revoked.
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    Fr. Paul Kramer on antipope Francis
    « Reply #7 on: November 28, 2013, 07:15:43 PM »
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  • I'd like to see the texts, because I'm actually unclear on this matter.  Florence and Pius XII spoke of the Old LAW as having been abolished and revoked, not the Old Covenant.  I always thought that God said that the Old Covenant was eternal, but it was fulfilled in the New.  Now the Jєωs have violated the Old Covenant and are unfaithful to it because of their rejection of Our Lord, but has the Old Covenant itself been revoked or, rather, fulfilled.

    I see the biggest Bergoglio heresy in his statement that Non-Christians can be saved by following their consciences.  That's a heretical denial of several dogmatic definitions of EENS.


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    Fr. Paul Kramer on antipope Francis
    « Reply #8 on: November 28, 2013, 07:17:28 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ambrose
    Quote from: Ladislaus
    Francis isn't the first V2 pope to hold this view.


    I know, but maybe others are finally seeing this.  It is heresy to say that the Old Covenant is still in force, and has not been revoked.


    It is heresy, but the very unique thing about this particular heresy is that it, probably more than any other, completely and directly undermines Catholicism in toto.

    If the Jєωs covenant is not revoked, then just who exactly is this Jesus guy?!  I think we are learning more and more about Francis as time goes on, and now his comments where he seems to put undue emphasis in distinguishing the Father from the Son (There is no Catholic God, Jesus is my teacher, the Father is my light and Creator) are becoming more and more clear.  

    He does not believe Christ came to fulfill the law, he does not believe in the New Testament, he does not believe in the Church which Christ founded upon the nullification of the Old Covenant.  He is a miserable, abominable blasphemer and heretic.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Fr. Paul Kramer on antipope Francis
    « Reply #9 on: November 28, 2013, 07:18:31 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    I'd like to see the texts, because I'm actually unclear on this matter.  Florence and Pius XII spoke of the Old LAW as having been abolished and revoked, not the Old Covenant.  I always thought that God said that the Old Covenant was eternal, but it was fulfilled in the New.  Now the Jєωs have violated the Old Covenant and are unfaithful to it because of their rejection of Our Lord, but has the Old Covenant itself been revoked or, rather, fulfilled.

    I see the biggest Bergoglio heresy in his statement that Non-Christians can be saved by following their consciences.  That's a heretical denial of several dogmatic definitions of EENS.


    You don't see the biggest heresy when he denies the existence of God?
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Fr. Paul Kramer on antipope Francis
    « Reply #10 on: November 28, 2013, 07:29:05 PM »
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    You don't see the biggest heresy when he denies the existence of God?


    When did he do this?


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    Fr. Paul Kramer on antipope Francis
    « Reply #11 on: November 28, 2013, 07:34:24 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
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    You don't see the biggest heresy when he denies the existence of God?


    When did he do this?


    I posted it in the other thread, maybe you didn't see it:

    http://www.repubblica.it/cultura/2013/10/01/news/pope_s_conversation_with_scalfari_english-67643118/?ref=HREA-1

    "...I believe in God, not in a Catholic God, there is no Catholic God, there is God..."

    I don't know about you, but this man's creed certainly differs from the one I profess every Sunday!
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    « Reply #12 on: November 28, 2013, 07:35:29 PM »
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  • That's not a denial of the existence of God.  If anything it's a denial of the Catholic Church.  Logic 101 people.

    When you say things like that you merely discredit yourself.

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    « Reply #13 on: November 28, 2013, 07:36:32 PM »
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  • I find it interesting how quickly I get downthumbed by the Trads on this board who hold the same heresy regarding EENS that Bergoglio does ... as soon as I bring it up I get downthumbed within minutes.

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    Fr. Paul Kramer on antipope Francis
    « Reply #14 on: November 28, 2013, 07:42:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    That's not a denial of the existence of God.  If anything it's a denial of the Catholic Church.  Logic 101 people.

    When you say things like that you merely discredit yourself.


    You speak of logic?

    There is one God.  That is the Catholic God.  To deny the Catholic God, Who is the only God, is to deny God.  

    St Paul teaches that the gods of the gentiles are demons.  There is but One God, and He is the God of the Catholic Church.  To say that this God does not exist is to deny the existence of the one God.  
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).